Gandalf the Gorsed

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  • “We’re dealing with the Hebrew text, and then we confront different translations and different translational decisions and debate whether those are accurate or inaccurate,” Buster said. “So, there isn’t a Jewish way to translate a particular word, and a Christian way to translate a particular word. Those different communities would probably come with different sensitivities.”

    Mostly true, but many translations are produced by institutions which require their scholars to adhere to a statement of faith and therefore alter translations to fit their dogmas. Translations which prioritise certain Christian dogmas will (mis)translate words or passages (e.g. translating certain Hebrew Bible passages in the future tense in order to make them seem like prophecy about Jesus despite there being no grammatical or contextual basis for doing so other than the theological framework they are shoehorning the text into).

    I’m not opposed to the Bible being read in schools for literary/cultural/historical educational purposes, but this should be done from a text critical perspective using translations which are suitable for academic study… which is never going to happen in the US. Using the Bible to prop up narrow-minded ideologies with no concern for the historical context of when the texts in it were written, the authors’ varied and often contradicting intentions and the historical developments which led to the dogmas different people profess today has no place is schools.








  • No problem! That sounds about right. If you’re interested, I’d recommend checking out Dr Dan Mcelllan on YT. He’s a scholar of the bible who makes videos about where certain dogmas and doctrines come from and counters evangelical apologetics on topics like abortion, homosexuality, the Trinity etc.

    Enjoy your drinks!


  • American evangelicals and Catholics have very different relationships with the bible. Evangelicals (and other protestant traditions) treat the bible as the ultimate authority and claim that all their beliefs are supported by the bible. If you can convince an evangelical that the bible isn’t all they think it is, everything else can collapse pretty easily.

    For Catholics, the Church is the ultimate authority, with the bible being just one of the strands of tradition it has developed over time. Telling a Catholic their doctrine of the Immaculate Conception isn’t in the bible won’t be a problem to them, because they’re perfectly comfortable accepting later traditions as just that. Evangelicals on the other hand will accept some of the same traditions like the concept of the Trinity, but they will fight tooth and nail to torture the text in the bible to justify their belief in it.


  • Obviously it’s only any good if “Bible literacy” is taught by people who have actually studied the bible and aren’t bound by dogmas to a specific religious interpretation, which I don’t think is feasible. But if Bible literacy was really what they were teaching, chances are it would have a net positive impact on America.


  • Because it means undermining the religious basis of conservative ideas for many Americans. Some who realise that their ideas on the LGBTQ community or abortion etc aren’t actually defensible purely based on the bible will be forced to confront their faith and worldview. Or if their education is thorough and soon enough, maybe they’ll never get to that point.