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  • Funny that, as ZS has never been the leader of Your Party. And JC is only just made acting until late Nov to allow the electoral commission to list it as a party.

    But the media loves to suggest every comment they make is YP policy. When the party has none by its very formation, principals until after its first conference. The basic rule in the parties draft constitution is “Conference is Sovereign” IE unlike ever other party. Leaders do not have the authority to ignore the one member one vote policy elections from the annual conference. The draft constitution goes into much more detail about membership rule. But is still up for vote itself.

    Unfortunately, It’s not hard to see why right wing owned mainstream and social media either ignores or criticizes the formation of the fact that YP is the first fully member controlled party. Desperatly trying to show every argument as a failure of the party. Dispite every party have such arguments all the time.

    The billionaires that own both know full well small groups of leadership are cheap and easy to buy or control. Then the majority of party members.


  • And the right wing owned media. As always. Over simplifies left manifestos to sell the idea the left is bad at economics. Despite the right governments making every fucking mistake imaginable. Never questioning this attack line.

    Not only is the right, historically, demonstrably bad a national economics. Economics as a profession and academic subject. It is historically very biased towards the right wing ideals and recruiting.

    Hence, the whole history of golden shower economic theory. Terrified billionaire escape plans. And other 0 data non evidenced idealistic theories ruling the whole academic system. All their theories are based on models that completely ignore societal wealth distribution. And refuse to compare. It is little better than a faith.








  • Sorry for multiple replies to one message. But another way to look at it is the following.

    Billionaires find it much more practice to control the people working with a leadership team. Then 100ks of members. Even if the cost is low to them. The sheer work involved in controlling a large party via membership is huge. And expensive. Even to them.

    Part of the reason you fear membership control. Although you are unaware as all are. Is because billionaires via the media have spent decades arguing against membership lead parties. Simply because far right politics dose not appeal to the masses.

    Just looking at recent events. Even reform for all their growth. Is still trying to appeal with left wing politics like nationalising transport and water utilities etc. while desperately trying the deny the far right accusations based on their immigration reform etc. like all historic fasism they have to have an enemy. But concentrate on false claims of harm to lower class people. Rather then selling the right wing ideals their backers require.



  • Nothing ATM. But as the members are attracted to the party through them. It is unlikely we will vote for founding documents that reject that vision entirely.

    That vision is a membership lead left wing party. As a founding principle nothing more exists. Once the 4 founding documents are voted on. And accepted by the membership. Then their will be some rules as to party policies. But the basic principal is still membership led.

    Here is a more relevent question. Labour was set up as a union supporting working class led party. Yet the leadership opposed the membership by moving to a corperation funded non working class controlled party.

    The leadership has refused community Labour Party supported MP candidates and rejected membership voted policies.

    It seems a leadership run party is more likely to reject the membership and founding principals then a membership lead party.

    This is why many of the left. Who have been lied to and deceived when voting Starmer as a leader. Refuse to join the greens. We tend to love their policies. But are more scared of the future where members cannot control the leadership. Then we are of members overriding leadership.


  • That is not the ideal that Your Party is set up on. Rules have not yet been agreed. We members get to look at the 4 founding documents and approve or change next week. So exact processes have not been agreed.

    But we do know that the foundation is bottom up. Leaders do not get to make policy. Members do. He processes that control that are to be voted on in November. But the membership is clear. Unlike labour. Leaders taking over the party from the majority of the membership will be made impossible. No vote has happened on NATO. So ZSs comment are not in any way Your Party Policy. And no evidence I have seen so far indicates the majority of the membership would vote for leaving.


  • No idea how old you are. But anyone that grew up pre internet would not use Liberal to describe the left wing of the Labour party. Liberal have not been consider left since the late 1800s when only land owners could vote.

    Only American media and politics think of it that way. But over the last 20 year US politics has been embedded in lots of UK right wing media. The Left do not think ofcurrent labour leadership as illibral. But as neolibral IE in support of corporate ownership of all production. Historically Liberalism is support for corperation and wealth. Where as conservatism was support for aristocratic leadership. That is the whole history of our 2 houses. Lords and Commons. Commons was not working class. But rich landowners with no aristocrat background. Supported by the liberal party.

    So yes sorry the use of illibral to describe current labour. Is very opposite to whole UK and European idea of liberalism.


  • Fair point I lost my temper with you.

    As a mod you should also consider the attitude of the community as a whole. Who clearly disagree with your opinion on my interpretation of labours actions.

    Your arguments for labour. Are basically the equivalent of.

    "Look at all the fish in the ocean. Fish have no reason to be nervous around fishermen. "

    The fact that labour fails to arrest every voice of opposition. Is absolutely no excuse for you to criticise posters for suggesting they partake in censorship.

    The evidence of the governments attempts to limit protest against them are far from hidden.

    Also your use of the word illibralism. Is a very clear idea that you or your ideals are entirely American in origin. As no one in the EU considers lirbalism to be a left of centre ideal.