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  • NattyNatty2x4@beehaw.orgtoAtheism@feddit.deFree will
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    10 months ago

    That’s not an actual answer though, it’s just a politician’s “answer” and then pretending afterwards that the question was answered. Free will means you can change your mind. If you can change your mind, it’s possible that you would change your mind at the very last second. However, if it’s possible to know ahead of time with 100% certainty what someone will do, then they don’t actually have the ability to change their mind at the last second, and any concept of choice is an illusion.

    The second quote only addresses why god isn’t at fault if free will exists, and therefore doesn’t address the issue


  • The doylist explanation is that a lot of religions back in the day practiced animal sacrifice to their deities (including judaism, e.g. Noah sacrificing animals after the flood and Abraham sacrificing a ram in place of his son once god was bored of telling Abraham to kill his kid to prove his faith). Jesus getting sacrificed is supposed to be a mirror of this for Christians and an “ultimate” sacrifice. They don’t sacrifice animals to god anymore because jesus just keeps doing the heavy lifting for them.


  • The clarification is fairly stupid, that being said. “He doesn’t send you there, you send yourself there” is a distinction without a difference when the all powerful god not only is the only reason hell exists, but supposedly created this world and the people in it knowing ahead of time specifically which people would go to the hell he created. It’s like saying I didn’t stab you, you just didn’t get out of the way of my knife.

    Their clarification is basically just a modern white-washing of their jealous, vengeful, and petty god’s holy doctrine, since the traditional “god hates you if you’re not just so” is working on less and less of the population




  • Sure, if you rewinded time and replayed it, I would always make that decision, and so would the stone wash down the river, but the human had a meaningful perception of free will.

    Perception of free will and actual free will are not the same. It feels like you understand this by the part of your comment I just quoted, but are trying to redefine them as the same as a way to rationalize your want for free will to exist





  • The only person reducing a people down to their leaders is you; I’m condemning putler and the individuals in power of Russia for creating this war. It’s a very common tactic to try and equate calling out the individuals in charge of a country with all the people of the country, as a way to hide behind the fact that you have no legitimate argument to make. Especially when the country in question is in practice a dictatorship. You’re gonna have to try a little harder than this to not get caught with your pants down, buddy.

    “Let us take over your country and murder your people or we’ll try to take over your country and murder your people. And if you resist or support people fighting us from murdering and taking over, then you’re the real evil person here.” Good take bro, stable genius stuff right here



  • Oh fucking please, I know you’re not this stupid. Russia’s grievances are that putin wants to bring all of the old USSR territory back into the fold, either by literally absorbing the territory or by installing puppet states that act as a defacto Russian territory. If Russia’s main intent was to avoid NATO expansion, they wouldn’t be doing the things that have quite literally prompted countries who previously did not want to join NATO (Sweden, etc) into now pressing to join NATO as a response to Russia’s totalitarian aggression. If Russia cared about the nazis in the Wagner group enough to invade, they wouldn’t also be perpetuating mass genocide of Ukrainians during their war of aggression. If Russia thought that ethnically Russian people weren’t being treated right in another country, they wouldn’t be invading said country to move their own citizens into the region and then pretend that means the original region was ethnically Russian.

    Russia’s bullshit has been so painfully blatant throughout this entire process that I refuse to believe you’re actually this dumb. The only things to negotiate is how quickly Russia and the russian citizens it planted in Ukraine after invading need to evacuate from all of Ukraine (including Crimea), and how the Russian officials, including putler, will surrender to the UN for their crimes against humanity.






  • NattyNatty2x4@beehaw.orgtoAtheism@feddit.deincest
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    But God is all-knowing, he basically set a trap on them knowing the outcome. He knew he was going to punish humanity even before he created the universe.

    Genesis still has some remnants of when yahweh wasn’t triple-omni. E.g. when he comes into the garden of eden after they ate the fruit, he asks what have they done as if he didn’t know yet. So he likely isn’t omniscient in the lore yet. If we wanted to be charitable, he’s just a sociopath here, and not a sadist that created a species already knowing he’s gonna punish them forever


  • Realistically gnostic atheists and gnostic theists are just different flavors of the same type of stupid. Obviously we can argue one is more likely to be correct and how we should operate because of that, but that’s covered by the atheist/theist part of the title. Anyone claiming to know something that’s inherently unprovable is either stupid or intellectually lazy