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Not sure if you want an answer, but :
If we were on lemmygrad or hexbear it’d be the opposite ? That’s one thing that’s great with Lemmy, there’s no sitewide “moderation” like reddit(, until state censorship laws start invading our internet, which shouldn’t take much longer now, as always in the name of safety).
The members of feddit.org should decide the future of feddit.org, and the members of lemmygrad should do the same.
Similarly for Lviv, Transnistria, Crimea, the Donbass, Kiev, Odessa, Transcarpathia, …

(sry if you didn’t need an answer, i like that you’re against wars and this opposition is a good compass. We(sterners) got as much as we could from the eastern side of the Iron Curtain, and didn’t spare our efforts to get Ukraine as well, i can’t help but see the ukrainian bourgeoisie at work there as well as here, they won’t bite the hand that fed them. Russia fell low, but is raising fast and the “neutral” ukrainians that aren’t in/against either side kinda forgot about China, their news could be full of its amazing progress, it’d give hope, there’s a glorious future for Russia ahead and they could be part of it, in the name of the past. It’d be a loss for the little european union though, who lost its colonies and don’t want to expand in ‘islamic territories’/‘the sole other direction available to them’.)

Or the pro-Europe can emigrate there, and what if they love their lands ? Refusing to allow a referendum(, or to recognize the previous ones,) is the side you’re ending up defending then. Ideally, that’d be a more peaceful(&democratic) way of resolving such problems. I can’t blame Ukraine for choosing power over justice, that’s what most countries do(, exception, or not).
Some ukrainians have chosen Russia, others Europe, so be it.

Well, ideally, instead of having to choose between the european union and the russian federation, we’d all be united in diversity, in city-states with very different laws, and without ever having to fear for our safety(, which is always the n°1 reason we(sterners)&others invoke to be agressive).

I don’t want to annoy you or anyone here, but it wouldn’t be polite to leave your comment unanswered, even if i’m wary of the moderators’ dis-information/censorship.

if South Tyrol wanted back to Austria, and Italy ignored that, it wouldn’t be reasonable for Austria to invade Italy

So what would be reasonable to do in order to respect the will of South Tyrol ?

That’s the problem with Russian “politics”. If it’s not going their way, they will force it through.

Russia waited eight years, to the point that a (relatively )common criticism heard in the Donbass in 2022(, confirmed in Patrick Lancaster interviews on the ground,) was to ask why Russia waited that long before helping them.
How many more years should they have waited according to you ?

Ukraine was improving its military during these eight years, and got closer with the e.u. and n.a.t.o., would it really be wise to give them more time to prepare ?

Petro Poroshenko was the worst president that Ukraine ever had(, even worse than Yuschenko), he did everything he could to escalate the situation, except an invasion because Russia was very clear of its reaction : he forbade them to vote, imposed an economic blockade, banned the russian language and russian medias(, as well as old russian books), and i could extend the list if it’s not long enough for you.

Vice did many good videos if you’re interested, even if they were bought back in 2023 by Soros&others.
Worth noting that, in 2022, the inhabitants of the Donbass fought the pro-european ukrainian army from the east, while Russia invaded from Belarus and fought the ukrainians from the west : both were fighting for the Donbass liberation.

If you know what Russia should have done i’m interested.
You probably know that they gave the Donbass and Crimea less than a century ago, and now they took them back according to the will of the local population because Lviv and other pro-european parts of Ukraine decided to work with them against Russia.

Things would have gone differently if Russia’s population wasn’t concentrated on its western side, or if the 2014 western-backed coup had failed. We(sterners) did everything we could to bring Ukraine on our side, partly to improve our power, and partly to contain/weaken the Russian Federation, that still dares to support countries such as Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, North Korea, Yugoslavia, Irak, Syria, Lybia, …, despite the 1991 disaster(, that made Ukraine join those responsible for that disaster).

The Russian Federation will take the part of Ukraine that wanted to join them for decades(, like Transcarpathia voted for autonomy since 1991 but wasn’t ever heard) ; while the European Union will also take the part of Ukraine that wants to join them.

I don’t see that as unjust, but Odessa and Transnistria remain “problems” to be solved, what do they want : autonomy, Europe, Russia ?

Edit : Oh. You didn’t know that Crimea and the Donbass voted for decades to join the Russian Federation ? That’s what happens when you only read western medias.
Now we’ll make a point of refusing Ukraine’s demilitarization, in order to prepare its revenge, because that’s a lot of lost territory and they won’t accept it, it’ll be a permanent risk, a thorn in Russia’s side, we’ll see.

From https://xkcd.com/1338

Yeah, ban me please