Great example of Goodhart:

I used to work at a Verizon store, and we were rated by the amount of accessories we could sell with each phone. In order to boost that number, everyone tried to add on a bunch of cheap phone accessories (clearance items and screen protectors) to drive that number up.

Our goal was more than three, but once we figured out how to sell 5 or more for less than $20, they changed it to total cost of accessories per phone.

Are we talking like a New World Order that acts as one set of rules for the whole world?

Or an alliance of all nations (like the UN) that makes sure nobody gets too out of line?

The first, has WAY too much potential for absolute corruption, the second would be much better if there were set human rights that COULD NEVER be revoked and 100% cooperation among ALL nations.

Fireballs.

Kindness and compassion are great and all, but Fireballs are MUCH greater.

Going to a world of magic sounds pretty sweet, but only if I can remember that I once lived in a world without it. Otherwise, I’m just a schmuck in the only world I’ve ever known, and magic wont be any more fascinating than technology is today.

The current world with knowledge would be more advantageous than a magic world from scratch.

I’m with you.

It seems like more times than not, I feel like I’ve fully explained the situation, and the person I’m talking to responds as if I said the complete opposite or something completely unrelated.

I’m willing to accept that I’m doing something wrong, but when I put extra effort in to make sure that everything is explained accurately, it STILL gets misinterpreted. I’m starting to think that people are just really stupid and/or terrible listeners.

I’ve never heard of anyone playing like that. I think it’s just that if it can reverse turn order, it can reverse ANYTHING!

That and it’s just a joke.

He’s doing the Lord’s work.

Artistic skill definitely should NOT be a factor. If the photo is a rural landscape, they could put a blob of red in the corner and label it a barn. As long as they have it in the right spot, and it’s the right color, I say it counts.

We’re not testing their ability to create output, we’re testing the description’s ability to relay a very specific and consistent message.

And all this time, I thought Latex was just for condoms!

Here’s my experiment.

Write a description of a photo with varying amounts of words.

Like, 10 words, 50 words, 100 words, 500 hundred words, a thousand words, and 5000 words. They all describe the same picture.

You have a group of people read the description and try to recreate the picture (which they have not seen, just read the description)

With more words, we should see the recreations become more consistent with the original and each other. Once everyone can recreate the image accurately, then we know how many words it’s worth. Beyond that point, I imagine extra words would produce diminishing returns.

And voting gave us freedom of speech and religion, freed the slaves, allowed PoC and women to vote, allowed LGBTQ to come out of hiding, created labor unions and busted monopolies, and created social safety nets for those in need.

And it took a long time to get from one to the next. Progress is a slow process, but as a species we’ve accomplished MUCH more in the past 250 years than we have in the 4000 years leading up to it.

Is it just a coincidence that all this progress only started once people were able to VOTE?

Every empty ballot is a vote for the tyrant.

nihilist

No you aren’t. You seem VERY disturbed by AIPAC and military action in the Middle East. A nihilist wouldn’t care. A nihilist might choose not to vote because any action would be pointless. If that is their philosophy, I don’t agree, but I understand.

You are actively not voting because you are outraged by what is happening.

I don’t see how hiding in the corner doing nothing and convincing others that they should also do nothing aligns with your frustrations with the system. If you’re really as pissed off as you claim to be, then fucking DO something about it. The only people who are going to coddle you and say “There there, you just sit back and relax, and someone else will make it all better for you.” are the ones who want to put you in a cage.

And it’s everybody else’s opinion that your opinion is the stupidest plan of action that will guarantee that things only get worse for you.

I agree that there’s currently no party that’s going to create what I believe to be a perfect world.

But if you think that they are the equally bad, you’re either completely uninformed, an absolute idiot, or purposely trying to manipulate the people in the first two categories.

So, which are you?

I used to feel that way when I was young and stupid.

People who refuse to vote for the lesser evil, are voting for the greater evil.

Very similar to what would happen if the sun was replaced with a massive dog turd…

Nobody cares because it’s nonsense.

Then I’d say you captured her perfectly!

Nut and Bolt is fucking great!

They are the same thing. The name just has to update every now and then to stay trendy.

The technical name: “Treating all people like they are people” isn’t real popular with bigots, so they come up with their own term, which they use mockingly to convince others that it’s bad to “Treat all people like they are people.”

The topics change as the world progresses around them, but nonetheless they cling to any shred of difference they can find in people and vilify the “others”.

Hey now. Let’s not fight. The existence of drinking games proves we can all coexist!