I watched that as well yesterday. Somber albeit pointed episode. Political theology nails it because we’re entering a phase (see Michael Flynn going around promoting the Christian Nationalist movement) where GOP leadership is elevated to a religious faith. And we all know arguments of reason or ethics do not work on those whose belief set is forged on blind faith and loyalty.

It’s probably best that we hope for the best and expect the worst. At this point, it seems the only way things will course-correct is when it all comes crashing down. And that won’t be pretty for anyone.

Your argument — hiding behind a counter-factual impossible to prove — is an old one. Cap it off with a Post Hoc fallacy, why don’t ya?

Educate yourself on the basic fallacies, and perhaps you’ll gain the prerequisite critical-thinking skills to have a good faith discussion.

(But boy, Palestinians are going to be ever so grateful for the uncommitted vote for the next 4+ years, LOL)

Well said. I hesitate to say I’ve studied this but it’s been a subject of passion of mine for some time now, and I’ve written long write-ups on how to, as you say exactly, inoculate people from mis/disinformation. However, once people lose their anchor to reality, it is extremely hard to get them back.

Are there ways out of our predicament? Maybe. And that’s a big maybe. Our moves have to be perfect from hereon out but even so… We may be beyond the point of no return and now the whole thing may have to come crashing down.

It sadly makes sense that the abortion referendums backfired bigly. In midterms and off-years it was different because there was nobody at the top of the ticket to lead to strategic voting.

I am fucking astounded that there is still a disconnect even with high level Democrats who can’t seem to grasp that much of America is living in a completely alternate reality because of the right-wing propaganda machine, exacerbated by foreign adversaries like Russia.

Lichtman’s (one saving grace from this election I never have to hear about this charlatan) keys prove this because he never accounts for the disconnect between what we see versus those in the echo-chamber perceive.

The megaphone of disinformation and sowing of distrust of traditional media, in my view, was the single biggest reason for our loss.

Talk about lacking foresight.

Good luck with things ever getting better for Palestinians now.

Yep. Just write off Israel as a constant at this point; there are still myriad issues where a chasm separates an R or D: Ukraine, Climate Change, LGBTQ+ rights, women’s rights, etc.

Mind you, it disgusts me, too.

This is also why people need to vote blue no matter how blue your state is.

This gaslighting denial, absent of any actual substantive logic truly is laughable.

Really. You think I’m happy about this? That the Both Sides crowd can’t understand basic mathematics and spoiler effect, or zero-sum logic?

As far as I’m concerned I’m far more distraught and less willing to throw away civilian lives in Gaza and Ukraine than the likes of you. There’s a lot of naivety going around thinking that things can’t possibly get worse in both of these places for civilians.

Let’s see how that logic plays out.

Unfortunately Hitler’s Putsch was far more clear cut and our court systems already largely ruined by the time Garland assumed his office in 2021. Hitler never had the power to corrupt the courts preceding his failed coup. I also don’t know if we can compare 1:1 our criminal justice system to 1920s Germany.

Binary choice.

Either Trump or Harris would win.

Harris better on literally every issue from climate change and LGBTQ+ rights and Women’s rights, to Ukraine and yes even marginally Gaza, itself.

We had a choice to help one or the other, and we chose the guy who is worse on every one of these issues. The GOP and Putin thank you for your service.

At the end of the day, these uncommitted voters contributed to the problem because they lacked the capacity to think strategically in their voting and lacking comprehension of the FPTP voting system we have. They seem to lack the fundamental understanding that there was a competing electoral group that Harris needed to obtain, like the large Jewish community in these key battleground states like Pennsylvania. Damned if she did; damned if she didn’t.

Golly, it’s almost like there’s a reason why Musk dumped $75 million dollars in attack ads with directly opposite messages, targeting both Muslim and Jewish communities in Pennsylvania at the same time? Were you aware of this? Evidently not.

So while Harris pushed for more aid into Gaza, sought a two-state solution, sought a permanent ceasefire, tell me… What did Trump promise? Oh yeah… “Finish the job.” Again, good luck.

No, I’m about 10 years ahead of you with the Democracy Now and 3rd party crap. I’ve been down that road long ago, my friend. Hopefully one day you’ll wise up, too.

I know this isn’t popular, but because I’ve literally never seen a substantive counter-argument for this, I have to say that I think Merrick Garland did all that he could given the stacked courts surrounding him. Nobody could’ve done better. He was clearly building a case from the bottom up that is a classic example of RICO prosecution style, hence the largest criminal investigation in the FBI’s history when going after those who committed January 6th. That was always going to lead to Trump. People, however are dreaming and romanticizing this belief that we could’ve “got” Trump within one year’s time and that was never possible.

The only thing that matters is that many Americans knew what Trump was, and a large swath opted to sit out and go, “Both sides!”

We couldn’t even convince the proverbial jury that was the American people of crimes in plain sight when they gave a verdict on November 5th.

lol nah man, I’m sure Palestinians will be much better off under Trump and far more amicable to protesters than Harris would’ve been… Totally ;)

Pat yourself on the back for this MuH BoTh SiDeS narrative!

See you in 4 years when you emptily vote for Jill Stein again.

Just give him some red backlighting and let him say, “battle for the soul of our nation” a couple more times. I’m sure that will help.

We were close to holding right wing extremists accountable. We needed one more term at least. It was clear how suddenly Republicans try to denounce the FBI as a liberal institution after Wray said that white supremacists were the #1 domestic terrorist threat.

Now, we’re fucked.

Lmfao.

Talk about pure bullshit. People die in every prison everywhere. Maybe you should take a step back in time and look who drafted those laws in the first place.

Well have fun with the 100% support of genocide with Trump, buddy. I’m sure they’ll treat your little protests with kid gloves lol. While she was seeking a permanent ceasefire, Trump was undermining it and telling Bibi to finish the job hahah.

That’s not to mention what blood is on one’s hands for Ukraine, too.

It’s more accurate to say Trump’s base cult voted like a cult and will always vote for him no matter. This evidenced by the fact that Trump may or may not even break his 2020 numbers despite even population growth.

It’s not just that these people voted for change as in all those millions who voted for Biden in 2020 voted for Trump; they just didn’t vote for anything at all.

Voting Democrat temporarily does not make you a Democrat no differently than Liz Cheney voting for Harris or the first-time low-propensity voter who thinks “they’re all the same, but since covid impacted me I’m getting rid of the current guy.” People just voted against Trump more than they were voting for Biden or his policies. They just wanted him out and to try something different purely because of covid.

This time around, those people just said, “Both Sides.” And sat out. Presumably because they drank the Russian Kool-Aid and live in media silos.

That said, I misread the title and paragraph not referencing Democrat, but Democratic support, so my mistake.