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Cake day: September 27th, 2023

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  • This isn’t a leftist phenomenon, it’s a liberal one. As the saying goes: Scratch a lib, a fascist bleeds.

    All over the internet you’ll see liberals blaming brown people, LGBTQ, and women for democrat’s loss; assuming Kamala lost because she’s a black woman, despite all evidence pointing to her campaign; and even taking joy in the misery that Republicans will bring to all Americans as a way to get back at those people. They will learn all the wrong lessons from this, and the news media will feed those lessons to them.

    They will never reflect on why the Democrats weren’t able to reach those people. Instead they choose to direct their hate at their fellow Americans for not falling in line, enthusiastically going to vote, and somehow convincing anyone else to do so, for a party that promised them nothing. They will act like this makes them any better than Republican voters, or the third-party and non-voters they hate so much. They will not see the wedge being driven between them and the left who stands for their class interests.

    They won’t see that what really split their vote was Democrats’ legitimizing of Republicans stances by adopting Republican framing on the issues, and as a result, looking like a weak and feckless alternative to Republicans. This strategy only got the center to vote Republican and depressed turnout on the left, because they weren’t even going to be an obstacle for all the things Republicans wanted to do.

    They refuse to see the democrats for what they are, doing everything they could to lose that election if the alternative meant they’d even nominally have to appear left of center. Americans are looking for answers, and Democrats utterly failed to provide them, utterly failed to counter a particularly weak republican platform. No amount of catastrophising can defeat the bad messaging and politics of an incompetent national campaign.

    They stand for nothing, so they’ll fall for anything.


  • No. You’re rationalizing an objectively bad campaign. “Playing it safe” would have been running a good campaign with popular policies and listening to voters’ demands, running on improving the average American’s material conditions and communicating what good they’ve done to that end thus far. Not picking up reactionary right-wing policies and trying to come out on top by completely ceding the issues to the side that invented them, hoping that cynicism alone will somehow get everyone to turn out to vote. The Republicans are not going to be beat at their own game.


  • I just thought the population would be more sober minded about the threat of ceding democracy to a demagogue who now has unchecked legal authority to remake society in his own image.

    Most normal people don’t want to believe that this is the case. They don’t have to, they have had the privilege of ignoring it, for they are not the ones being persecuted. It’s background noise and if anything it turns them off.

    People care about healthcare, education, cost of living, career prospects, inflation, basic rights, y’know stuff that pertains to them in their everyday lives. If the Republicans are the only ones pointing that stuff out and offering any solutions, even if their reasons and solutions are bullshit and serve bigoted ends, people will be swayed to vote for them and will doubt and explain away all the negative media because it’s unpleasant to think about.

    Democrats just don’t seem to be willing to champion popular policy, and that is why they lost.

    Anyways, seems like we’re only somewhat in disagreement.


  • We must be watching different elections and your version must have historic turnout, since americans are so enthusiastic about deporting immigrants and flattening gaza, no?

    Cause in mine I just see two unpopular candidates except one of them has cultivated a delusional cult to propel them forward and the other has the american electorate convinced that being evil is non-negotiable.


  • No, I am very acutely aware of how we got here. Clearly their strategy did not work or they would have won tonight. It’s a trick and you fell for it, hard. Of course you wouldn’t want to admit that.

    Anyone out there that is gung ho about the border and arming Israel was always going to vote Republican. Ceding the narrative on those only reinforced the Republican base, and not offering anything material depressed the Democrat base. The whole time they’ve been pandering to imaginary voters and you’ll first gaslight yourself into believing those voters exist and your country is a horrible place of garbage people before you’ll admit that your side could have done things differently to appeal to more voters.


  • I think we need to stop wondering why Republicans are doing so well and with that, lamenting that just over half of the minority voting population in this country will proudly vote for open fascists; stop imagining voters in the middle who are going to magically defect from the right if Democrats outflank them on the right’s own invented issues; and start asking ourselves whose votes the Democrats are actually campaigning for if not ours.


  • If what you say is true, and I’m not suggesting it is- if our furthest left “viable” party can win on a platform that is funding genocide and barely opposing the fascists Republicans, then we were doomed no matter what.

    Firsf of all, don’t project your own arrogance onto the rest of us. Second, even ignoring Palestine, it was an objectively bad campaign. She didn’t offer anything material to vote for beyond not being trump.










  • It’s not “doing nothing” it’s demonstrating that their “viable” candidate is not an acceptable candidate. You’re demonstrating that the people reject them and that we have the power to prevent their victory, putting pressure on them to earn the votes of the people, necessitating changes to be made and concessions given if they wish to stay in power.

    Unless they can convince all of you folks to abandon your blocs and “vote blue no matter who”. Then they have free license to do whatever they want, and to let the other side continue being the bogey man that gets you to the polls, because without you your bloc is too weak to affect their victory.

    It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy; by saying you are too weak to effect change and arguing as much instead of demonstrating in solidarity with other objectors that genocide is a policy that will guarantee defeat for the Democrats now and in the foreseeable future, because the other side is unacceptable (which implies that your side to you, even if genocidal, is acceptable, because of the comforts you believe they are promising over the other side), then you yourself are participating in the thing that is making you too weak to effect change and in the process throwing those people who are subject to the genocide under the bus in service of your own comfort.