No. > 70% of the dead being women and children and elderly suggests that no, they’re trying to inflict as much death and destruction upon the Palestinians as they can get away with.

So what I’m hearing is whatever you do, do not give up your nukes. You will get invaded.

Genocide there vs genocide in both places, we’re fucked

I’ve successfully boycotted Israel (I’m broke and I’m not buying anything)

“hamas is using human shields and you defend them…”

But Ukraine can do it and (correctly) you still defend and support them.

Hamas was originally elected because they ran as the anti corruption party, and because the PA are collaborationists. If you want to get Palestinians to broadly support someone other than Hamas, you have to show that the other guys can get results. Otherwise people continue to join hamas, because that’s their only mechanism of resistance.

Just curious, what are your opinions on Ukraine and Russia? Do you defend Ukraine even tho they did the same things?

Send in soldiers to go kill Hamas guys without leveling an entire apartment building?

Or undermine Hamas politically by not making the PA seem like Israeli cucks.

The over a thousand people held without charges would disagree with you. Are trusted human rights organizations fake news now?

I mean if anti settler violence is terrorism then yea I wholeheartedly support terrorism. Settlers should not be there.

Also idc who does it. If someone is held without charges in prison, they’ve been taken hostage by the state.

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They’re Palestinian women and children, not terrorists. It’s a trade of innocents for innocents

God I hope they track down Monday and kill that terrorist son of a bitch.

There’s plenty, you just don’t hear about them because they don’t go around shoving their religion down everyone else’s throats

If Hamas was freedom fighters, then your exact same defense applies to the Israeli military, and it’s a neverending cycle of “justified” violence.

Yeah. That’s true. There will be continued death and destruction until Israel tries for peace by undermining Hamas politically, not violently. Or until Israel ethnically cleanses the vast majority of Palestinians, which it seems like they’re trying to do.

Hamas is a resistance group, even if their tactics are awful. Their goal isn’t to provoke the most awful Israeli responses possible, but to retaliate for the violence that the IDF does. This has been the case for a while, and October 7th is really the main exception because I doubt Hamas predicted how far they’d get. Even with the Oct 7 attack, Hamas literally tried to trade their hostages for women and children in Israeli prisons. They tried to use their hostages as leverage to get Israel to stop bombing civilians as much. They have to care about Palestinians to some extent, because if enough citizens of Gaza decide the PA is a lot better, Hamas won’t exist anymore, or at least lose power.

Because they are a terrorist group.

You say this like it means anything. The ANC (fought apartheid south africa) was also a terrorist group. So was the FLN (fought french in the Algerian revolution), the Viet Minh (first Indochina war, against the french), and many other resistance groups.

Currently, Israel is killing civilians and children at a higher rate than Yemen. And yemens population is 16 times that of gaza.

No it doesn’t make fuckin sense unless you don’t understand why hamas exists. Let’s assume that Palestinians aren’t people, and it’s morally acceptable to kill dozens of them to get one or two Hamas guys. Now, you have a ton of family members of those dead people who are extremely angry at Israel for killing their family and friends. Do you think those people just sit down and die quietly? No, quite a few of them join a terrorist organization to fight back. So now, by bombing that hospital, you’ve created more terrorists than you’ve killed.

That isn’t antisemetic, that’s anti-settler. Jewish immigration into Palestine was not a peaceful process, and 20 years before the PLO charter, 700,000 Palestinians were ethnically cleansed by Zionist militias. You can’t seriously be saying that the PLO was antisemetic because it didn’t think settlers were palestinian.

I mean that’s just wrong. The stance of the PLO in 1964 was we want a palestinian state, jews of palestinian origin are also palestinian and should be included. This was changed in 1968 to jews who lived in palestine before the invasion are palestinian

Cmon, from the river to the sea has been a thing that 1 state solution people have said for a while, it was popularized by the PLO. I genuinely don’t know what else could be associated with it unless you’re thinking about it in the least charitable way possible.