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    2 months ago

    im sorry to hear that after all of this u continue to claim the state is an extension of its people, and continue to mix representation and delegation. or for that matter, the myth of the state abolishing itself, which has no basis in reality.

    ill give up on explaining this to u now. just one small thing: its spelled Bismarck, not Bismark.






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    2 months ago

    ok this gotta be my last response bc i got better shit to do today.

    so first off, i simply dont care what the marxist definition or critique of something is, so yes, please understand it as just the general anarchist critique.

    Unless your point is that the delegate can only do what 100% of those who elected them want,

    well yes, if they want to stay a delegate they have to comply with the mandate they were given. i also understand that there may be practical considerations that lead ppl to choose weak (e.g. 95%) consensus decisions, and u can call that hierarchical if u like, but that doesnt mean we shouldnt strive to abolish all hierarchies.

    the way u have described the PRC does not sound like they have delegates, rather representatives. ive already explained the difference.

    as for considering the PRC state capitalist, this is my conception (altho i know a few marxists who agree), and so far ive only argued about the ownership situation and not touched upon wealth accumulation or markets at all, but i think ive still made a fair argument.


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    2 months ago

    Communism is generally held to be about class and state abolition

    which are hierarchies, and the criticism of these are based on the same root issue that all hierarchies have. i admit that this statement was somewhat inflammatory, altho i firmly believe that anarchism is the natural conclusion of the communist idea.

    Delegates in your model still have hierarchy,

    no. the power is always among the people who choose the delegate, formulate their mandate, and can recall them at any time. the delegate has no power over the people, nor is the delegate coerced into their role.

    and u can call the PRC socialist all u like, but that still dont make it true.


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    2 months ago

    as a communist, i believe there is such a thing as a non-hierarchical system.

    further, i dont really see how the PRC will ever achieve communism or socialism and further still, i think you are redefining socialism to include china, which is a semantical argument and not a logical one.