It all comes back to big money in politics. These guys get bought and sold by billionaires because they don’t want to pay tax. It stinks and everyone knows it and the longer it goes on the less people vote, the less they believe in democracy and the stronger authoritarians get. Democracy is on the brink because of Jeffries and people like him.

That’s the most on-brand thing they’ve ever done.

Mamdani is a great candidate and he only seems to get shallow or dishonest criticism. When he talks policy it’s straight forward, sensible and makes economic sense, but his critics talk about him like he’s chairman Mao. Totally out of proportion and probably has a lot to do with corporate finance in politics and the DNC specifically.

Meanwhile Booker refuses to endorse Mamdani. Billionaire class solidarity transcends party politics.

Maybe if education and news media continue to degenerate they’ll become too stupid to know any better.

Lets back up a bit.

You claimed that the Gaza issue ‘alone’ proved your point. So originally you were suggesting that not only those 6 mil were left fanatics, but the other 12 mil as well? *

My claim is that there are two groups: crazy abstaining leftoids and normal people who lean left. The Dems lost because they failed to effectively appeal to this second group. You might think that this group is stupid - I’m not arguing that, lots of groups have poor judgement and they are definitely not the worst, but it’s still besides the point.

I think that group can be mobilized with a good campaign that appeals to those people. I think that’s a big part of how Mamdani got unprecedentedly high turnout in New York. I don’t think that everyone who voted for him was a mad lefty.

• btw, I want to point out the study said that those people listed Gaza as ‘their top issue’, not their exclusive reason for abstaining. Saying that every single person who listed Gaza as their top issue for abstaining was some kind of terminal lefty is a mad enough claim in itself.

You are telling me that these 19 million people are terminally online stalinists instead of opinion-having normal people?

Is there a secret bit in the article that proves that part? You said it was demonstrable facts and data and then did a backflip and folded your arms so I really hope you aren’t making shit up right now

not true on the Gaza issue ALONE.

There were two pro-palestine campaigns: The Uncommited movement and Abandon Harris. The Uncommited people ended up endorsing Kamala, while Abandon Harris endorsed Jill Stein - who only got 0.56 % of the vote. So not only would it make no fucking difference if every single Jill voter had gone for Kamala, but the rest of the movement ACTIVELY supported Harris. And this movement was not even the left - it included the left sure, but it was a broad coalition of various demographics - not JUST the left!

So show me the data - I am not going through your comment history looking for it.

True but it’s a minor point. Even if every single lefty held the line it wouldn’t have made a difference. The people who didn’t vote were mostly disengaged normal people and the blame for that is squarely on the Democrats for sucking absolute shit on purpose because of big money in politics.

Have some perspective, pick better fights with worse people. I personally find it extremely unmoving when the left chastises people over politics so good job emulating one of their worst and least politically effective qualities.

Instead, I humbly suggest you try to inspire a shred of hope among the cynical and apathetic - but deep down actually very cool people of the Earth🌠

Yeah, she should’ve called him a pedophile

A vote is not an endorsement, it’s a move.

Every major political event in history was once an unrealistic proposal. Whether it can happen next week or not has absolutely no bearing on the fact that it must be done.

Reach out to your local political rep and tell them you support a wealth tax. Reach out to your local boomer FB page and tell them you support a wealth tax. Make the case. If public opinion and political opinion isn’t there then there is work to do. Put away minor nit picks and technical problems, they absolutely do not matter in the grand scheme of things. Build the momentum, tax the damn rich.

They can move out of the country but they cannot move out of the world. An international wealth tax CAN be done, the only obstacle is mere political will.

And it must be said, the ability for the rich to take their assets and leave has been greatly over-stated, since much of it is in the form of land.

Extreme wealth must be taxxed, or we will all live in desperate poverty.

The wealth of the rich is still growing and it will continue to grow automatically until the middle class ceases to exist. If we do not take the assets back, it will become impossible for normal working people to ever buy a house, or have any economic power over their own lives at all - nevermind the political control or the media manipulation.

Extreme wealth concentration is THE biggest issue facing society. Mamdani is absolutely right.

I’m not surprised. Carl Sagan saw this coming in 1995

I have a foreboding of an America in my children’s or grandchildren’s time – when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what’s true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness…

Isn’t there enough bad things happening right now to complain about? This is a totally imaginary scenario that is years away and you’re all ruining your day a little bit more by engaging with it.

WHY?

It is totally wasted energy. Total waste of time. Counter productive to your political goals. Encouraging a culture of fixating on problems you have no idea how to solve. Bonding over helplessness and apathy.

You know a lot of canvasers are thinking about ditching the dems and going independant? You could encourage them, you could become one of them, you could help give them arguments and counter narratives, make memes, shitpost for a good cause, post in mixed comment sections where half the people hate you and fish for an even mix of upvotes to downvotes - that’s how you know you’re reaching people! Take a little pleasure in becoming unbotherable.

Also, counter narratives are great because you don’t have to substantiate anything. ’ ICE is deporting random innocent people to fill quotas ’ - your move, rightoids, I spent five seconds writing that and one braincell. Zero effort and they might end up spending 100x the effort countering it. God knows I’ve been on the other side of that. It’s a brilliant rhetorical tactic.

You don’t even have to keep arguing, you can just post ‘sounds dumb’ or ‘bad argument’ or nothing at all and just leave!

Bots wouldn’t exist if posting comments on the internet didn’t do anything. And even doing nothing is better than perpetuating misery-posting culture in the online left.

Tony Benn said that the job of the left is to 1) anger people and 2) inspire hope. We need to get a lot better at the second one.

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Just to clarify, I also hate the Dems lmao

soy don regime cries about the boys hanging out

The right does this and it seems to work for them.

Another massive W for Thought, the chief glory of mankind.

People who take this advice are going to be disappointed when Tesla gets outcompeted by every other EV company and it drops to zero. It’s just like the trump shitcoins. Just scamming their base at every turn because they’ve gotten used to lying about everything without consequences.