So more generalisations no studies no statistics, nothing of value to the conversation. More baseless claims and empty straw manning. Keep up the good work big oil.

So you have no evidence no study and no statistics to support your baseless claims and generalisations. I thought so.

A pathetic political wedge attempt.

Still waiting for that magical evidence on gun control results in suicide reduction.

Up next generalisations the new scientific method.

How very compassionate of you.

So that’s your compassion? Ignore others around you hey. Makes sense.

because it makes it far easier to manipulate them

Oh this is hilarious, do tell, how I manipulate an entire countries statistics on suicide over time!

and get the opinions of an institute dedicated to suicide prevention

They’re absolutely right, as a generalization. Does it stop the result when access was taken away specifically for Guns. The statistics clearly show means changed over time and did the rate reduce? No. That rope lobby is looking mighty dangerous now. You better get on the case.

women are just doing it for attention

Is that what I said? Don’t worry, I don’t just make baseless claims or tell you to just google something that doesn’t exist. Suicide rate is 3 times higher for males, after all this is the topic with Guns.

higher rate of suicide among Australian males are that males tend to choose more lethal methods of suicide such as hanging (60% of male suicides), poisoning, including by car exhaust (11%), and firearms (8%). (Australian Psychological Society)

men have a greater tendency to not recognize or respond to their own negative emotions or distress, which may result in more chronic and severe emotional responses to adverse life events (Goldney et al., 2002)

Men are less inclined to communicate feelings of despair or hopelessness, and are more likely to present a stoic attitude towards misfortune (Howerton et al., 2007; Witte et al., 2012)

have fewer social connections (Denney et al 2009)

Differences in help seeking between men and women are additional contributing factors. Men tend not to seek help for emotional difficulties, often feeling that help-seeking is a weakness or failure and preferring to solve problems on their own, without being a burden on others (Emslie et al 2006)

That’s the opinion of a complete cunt,

Don’t worry you do enough gas lighting and straw-manning for everyone. At this point its assured you’re lobbying for big oil.

The gendering in the title has nothing to do with anything

Ill give you a hint, its in the title of OP’s post.

you havent been nearly upset by people failing to laser focus on that adjective

no denying, suicide rate in the elderly is highest.

find a mountain of evidence without me spoonfeeding each result to you.

just google it

The fact that you’re insisting that means reduction doesn’t work

What happened when means reduction wed implemented for more common methods like jumping?

Nice straw-man.

factually inaccurate as everything else you’ve argued.

Yet I am the only one who has shown clear evidence to support it while your baseless opinion and generations continues to entertain.

They actually have not thought of that no. In fact there is a cult like level of ignorance that has already just caused a serious fire & toxic release with this exact same hair brain layout and design. That said the method of fire containment is very new out of the Netherlands I believe.

https://youtu.be/LH2UOC2TMng?feature=shared

Bring on electric grid storage but don’t delude yourself it’s all sunshine and rainbows. The dangers of lithium nickel cobalt fires and toxic chemical release is very serious with a weird cult like level of ignorance. The actual grid battery fires and subsequent poisioning that’s occurred recently without consideration for the downwind population and groundwater are raising some big red flags.

Current state procedure for putting out lithium nickel cobalt fires. Hazmat gear and let it burn out.

What an atrociously dangerous planned design.

1. Poor design: Thermal runaway is a serious problem that this setup has a very high chance of occurring. When it occurs, not if, it will spread fast from one container to the next and it will not be able to be put out that is the current fire fighting procedure for the state.
2. It is very dangerous because these old batteries produce a very toxic and dangerous compounds when in thermal runaway. Again firefighting procedures cover hazmat requirements and it’s well documented the dangerous compounds that are present especially in these older batteries.

Net result. It will create another unstoppable fire that will dump poisons into ground water and the air recklessly endangering anyone down wind.

Solutions not problems:

1. Isolate each container in an empty dam that is able to be filled with super chilled salt water the moment a runaway begins.
2. Design fire suppression and shutdown to protect residents and the grid. Keep personal onsite to monitor with the authority to immediately react to fire incidents.

A wild Solarwind appears

Microsoft casts sunburst, it was unsuccessful

Yes?

Oh great now it’s a horror story.

Oh look you’ve brought genitals into it here too,

Ill help you out since you cant read. The title of this post is:

“Suicide rates in the US are highest among elderly men, and most involve guns, CDC report says”

among elderly men

men

I’m not the one arguing against evidence based suicide prevention

The only “evidence” you have provided is baseless claims. The facts I have provided are clear an unambiguous. Banning guns in Australia made no difference to suicide.

To put it bluntly you seem like a bot rambling on without understanding the title of a post let alone content.

like they’re women’s fault

Good luck with that.

To preface for others, I have placed some of the more triggering parts of this discussion behind the spoiler tags so others reading can avoid the more sensitive part of these discussions.

I probably should have said “many suicides are an impulse”

You should not have over stated the minority. I understand, anything to further your political rhetoric.

It remains one of the most effective methods of suicide prevention

And yet the suicide statistics CLEARLY show it made NO difference for Australia, none.

Clearly you can’t even be bothered reading the statistics, not a study, statistics. If you had bothered to read the statistics of means over time, it clearly shows the volume has only increased over 5 decades and the means has drastically changed. The change in access made, NO difference in the outcome.

So you’re saying that men have greater access to some kind of “means”.

That was a typo on my part which you can clearly see if you read the two sentences together. Not means; intent. Absolutely men have far more intent then women. Pick any study, the conclusion is the same: intent.

I’m the one advocating that we take steps to reduce the suicide rate, using repeatedly proven strategies.

repeatedly proven strategies.

That baseless claim at it again. Its statistics show the exact opposite.

pro-gun commenters that you seemingly agree with

No. I’m disagreeing with political bots like yourself “PoliticalAgiotator” wedging an agenda to benefit your politics. Its disingenuous garbage. I’m keeping my politics out of it, I find it weird how uncontrolled guns are in the US however I am not deluded by how little of an impact it has had here. It detracts from real discussion to address the real cause.

I even did it without bringing gender into it,

didn’t stop you from seeing the words “women” and “suicide” used in the same post and twisting it

The delusion is pretty bad for you. You have not read the post title, let alone the article or even the statistics I provided. Welcome to the conversation, or is that the point: to derail and not contribute.

Yep, I see the statistics

For some strange reason, I highly doubt you read anything at all.

Thinking too small.

Contract out to nasa or highest bidder and transport goods and people to ISS. Transport goods and people to mars. Get spacesuits and transport asteroids to the highest bidder. Become richest person on earth.

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1. social studies isn’t a fucking college level course, you talking about sociology?

Depending on where you live it is college or ts university, first year

2. how do you even measure “acting on it” more often? I’ve read several things that said that women attempt suicide more often than men, but men more often “succeed”… Largely because of the means they choose

Death, well established and not studied enough

3. guns don’t cause suicide depression does is the same shitty argument that assholes like you have with guns don’t kill people, people kill people

Its sad how obsessed you are with guns, really sad

Fact America is not in the top 20 countries for suicide. I would like to think because its quality of life, but like all things its more nuanced.

Guns don’t cause suicide, depression (the big killer) results in suicide and its causes are many. Access to suicidal means may help with a little bit of time sometimes; best case scenario. However if the cause is never addressed the end result will always be the same so just conflating the issue and the cycle continues on.

https://www.aihw.gov.au/suicide-self-harm-monitoring/data/deaths-by-suicide-in-australia/suicide-deaths-over-time

Australia got rid of guns in 1996.

The only person fetishizing guns and suicide is you! Stop wedging the desperate to your disingenuous cause,.

no its not a fact, its the opposite, world wide suicide is well documented and not a unique American problem it is a fact America does not even make the top 20.

Suicide is an impulse

Suicide is everything from highly planned to impulsive. You’ve built your argument on a fallacy.

Abusers with guns

So this isn’t about male suicide but guns…

Great minimization to wedge your rhetoric.

When the causes of death is compared across genders is blatantly obvious the difference is the means to ACT on it. Men are less likely to seek help, more likely to ACT. This is not a uniquely American issue, its world wide in fact America does not rank in the top 20 countries.

To make my point, here is the Australian suicide statistics. Notice how its the same problem and we do not have guns accessible? https://www.aihw.gov.au/suicide-self-harm-monitoring/data/deaths-by-suicide-in-australia/suicide-deaths-over-time

Suicide is not a uniquely American problem, nor is higher male suicides. In fact America does not even make the top 20. Depression is the well understood cause of suicide. Depression has many many factors. From simple inheritance, to money, relationships, drugs, disease, and much more. Those are the causes. The only way to stop it, is mental health services, awareness, compassion, support and specifically for men, breaking the social stigma. Break the generational social contract that makes mental health for males taboo and only then will we achieve even suicide rates across genders.

What a load of horse shit.

Wedging guns is nothing but disingenuous.

Suicide is caused by depression. Not guns, Depression.

Higher male suicide rates is caused by the fact that men ACT on it more than women. This is well studied and understood by even first year university students in social studies. The only way to stop it from occurring is before men and women ACT on it. Address the cause depression, and it will improve outcomes.

Programs like, “Black dog institute”, “Are you OK”, “Mens shed Associations”, or best yet, clinical help, Break the stigma of men reaching out for help.