The pattern I see is that most on “the right” here will not be able to break out of their disinformation bubble unless it affects them personally. So only the small portion who have seen someone they know (“one of the good ones”) harassed by ICE will respond.
That’s true. But I think we’re closer than ever to that break. The instinct of people on the left is to always rub a dogs nose in shit after it craps on the carpet. But we all know there’s better ways.
If people on the left create some bridges here and create awareness this could shift perspectives. There are lots of people on the right and left who will never be swayed on anything. But there’s a lot of people who can be. Especially over this stuff.
It gets harder and harder for trumpets to support him and this could be a bridge to far. So many right wing people’s core fear is Government doing this very thing. This might supersede their trump honeymoon
The disinformation bubble is tighter than a noose. They dont even know any of this is happening. An entire portion of the populace lulled into unconscious compliance by the state propaganda apparatus. There is no honeymoon stage, these people are lobotomized and sustained intravenously.
I’d love it if you were right, and this is what breaks Trump’s stranglehold on the electorate. but the advantage Trump and his friends have is that they have no shame, and lie with impunity. Those lies are attractive. Even now, I am reading that Trump released a statement saying that the troops are quelling the unrest in LA, while the Mayor says no troops have arrived. Which do you think folks in the Conservative Cinematic Universe believe?
It’s hard to break these folks out of their bubble when the side pushing the bubble can lie without consequences. Their opposition has the burden of logical consistency to overcome.
I think we just need to make more content. I feel we really under estimate memes and jokes as a way to get them to see how fucked things are. Its such a stupid idea but being able to quickly convey a message through a photo that can express an entire view point is really powerful. Nobody reads walls of text anymore. But the left seem to think we all need to win arguments online or its all pointless.
Seeing the internet flooded with artists drawing ICE patrols as Brown shirts and Trump as a devil will do more in a day then any leftist showing up to any protest.
I think that, specifically, National Guardsmen and LEOs should be reminded that ICE’s game is to deflect outrage onto them. The Burger Team Weekend Commandos rush into stores and restaurants, wreck shop, abduct people, piss off the locals, incite unrest, and then run like pants-shitting cowards behind the NG and the Police while they clean up the mess and take the heat. Even worse, their service is a matter of public record, while ICE gets to hide behind masks. The double-standard is disgusting and I’m surprised more people aren’t pointing it out. Their jobs are being made so, so, so much harder than they already are because of how it continues to erode public trust.
Most likely, the NG is going to stand around on street corners while chasing ICE around town wiping their ass for them. Personally, I doubt most are happy about this arrangement.
For the record, I’m not a fan of cops or the military in principle. But I know if I was in their position as a peacekeeper I would be beyond furious at what the feds are doing. Keep in mind, they’re human too. Part of the game is to get everyone to hate each other for bullshit reasons.
I bet a lot are frustrated for what you just said.
The military is to protect all in the country. This thing where they pit the military against half the country is something that isn’t lost on the military. It makes it that much harder for them to do their job.
Walz hit a nerve when he called them all weird. Because they are! We don’t need to double down on memes, but we do need to explain, in simple terms, why Trumpism is so awful.
And I don’t say “simple” because people are dumb, I say it because people are busy and don’t always have time to think things through.
You’re absolutely wrong. Subtle visual media is far more powerful than any direct argument. Just watch the debate between Ken Ham and Bill Nye it’s a perfect example. You can’t just tell someone they’re wrong and expect them to change their mind. People need to arrive at their own realizations.
That’s why creating content matters. We don’t engage with content the same way we do with people we consume it, reflect (often subconsciously), and move on. But over time, with enough content, those messages start to shape opinions. This shift will never happen if we rely solely on “facts and logic” to win arguments. People simply don’t operate that way.
At this point, after decades of the internet, it’s ignorant to think otherwise. We should all know better but somehow, we still don’t.
All of their rhetoric is bullshit to obscure the fact that they hate brown people, queer people, people who aren’t their religion, just anyone they’re angry at, really.
It really is that simple.
They’ll believe, to some extent, what they are saying, they’ll tie themselves up in knots, but ultimately, they’ll default to anything that allows them to laugh when people they think they are better than are made to suffer.
The few that manage to resolve the cognitive dissonance and realize they are in fact hateful bigots, and that… that is bad?
since this is the thing the right armed themselves for
No it isn’t and it never was. That was the excuse they used to cover their gun fetish. They always saw themselves as the shock troops of the authoritarian takeover, and the fact that they are delighted it’s happening is confirmation.
Disagree heavily. The right is a big umbrella term just like the left. I would put good money on it that a few groups are calling each other up and talking about this. I bet there will be big efforts to suppress this online.
Would be interesting if there is a way that people on the right actually join the left on this since this is the thing the right armed themselves for
The pattern I see is that most on “the right” here will not be able to break out of their disinformation bubble unless it affects them personally. So only the small portion who have seen someone they know (“one of the good ones”) harassed by ICE will respond.
That’s true. But I think we’re closer than ever to that break. The instinct of people on the left is to always rub a dogs nose in shit after it craps on the carpet. But we all know there’s better ways.
If people on the left create some bridges here and create awareness this could shift perspectives. There are lots of people on the right and left who will never be swayed on anything. But there’s a lot of people who can be. Especially over this stuff.
It gets harder and harder for trumpets to support him and this could be a bridge to far. So many right wing people’s core fear is Government doing this very thing. This might supersede their trump honeymoon
The disinformation bubble is tighter than a noose. They dont even know any of this is happening. An entire portion of the populace lulled into unconscious compliance by the state propaganda apparatus. There is no honeymoon stage, these people are lobotomized and sustained intravenously.
I’d love it if you were right, and this is what breaks Trump’s stranglehold on the electorate. but the advantage Trump and his friends have is that they have no shame, and lie with impunity. Those lies are attractive. Even now, I am reading that Trump released a statement saying that the troops are quelling the unrest in LA, while the Mayor says no troops have arrived. Which do you think folks in the Conservative Cinematic Universe believe?
It’s hard to break these folks out of their bubble when the side pushing the bubble can lie without consequences. Their opposition has the burden of logical consistency to overcome.
I think we just need to make more content. I feel we really under estimate memes and jokes as a way to get them to see how fucked things are. Its such a stupid idea but being able to quickly convey a message through a photo that can express an entire view point is really powerful. Nobody reads walls of text anymore. But the left seem to think we all need to win arguments online or its all pointless.
Seeing the internet flooded with artists drawing ICE patrols as Brown shirts and Trump as a devil will do more in a day then any leftist showing up to any protest.
I think that, specifically, National Guardsmen and LEOs should be reminded that ICE’s game is to deflect outrage onto them. The Burger Team Weekend Commandos rush into stores and restaurants, wreck shop, abduct people, piss off the locals, incite unrest, and then run like pants-shitting cowards behind the NG and the Police while they clean up the mess and take the heat. Even worse, their service is a matter of public record, while ICE gets to hide behind masks. The double-standard is disgusting and I’m surprised more people aren’t pointing it out. Their jobs are being made so, so, so much harder than they already are because of how it continues to erode public trust.
Most likely, the NG is going to stand around on street corners while chasing ICE around town wiping their ass for them. Personally, I doubt most are happy about this arrangement.
For the record, I’m not a fan of cops or the military in principle. But I know if I was in their position as a peacekeeper I would be beyond furious at what the feds are doing. Keep in mind, they’re human too. Part of the game is to get everyone to hate each other for bullshit reasons.
I bet a lot are frustrated for what you just said.
The military is to protect all in the country. This thing where they pit the military against half the country is something that isn’t lost on the military. It makes it that much harder for them to do their job.
Walz hit a nerve when he called them all weird. Because they are! We don’t need to double down on memes, but we do need to explain, in simple terms, why Trumpism is so awful.
And I don’t say “simple” because people are dumb, I say it because people are busy and don’t always have time to think things through.
You’re absolutely wrong. Subtle visual media is far more powerful than any direct argument. Just watch the debate between Ken Ham and Bill Nye it’s a perfect example. You can’t just tell someone they’re wrong and expect them to change their mind. People need to arrive at their own realizations.
That’s why creating content matters. We don’t engage with content the same way we do with people we consume it, reflect (often subconsciously), and move on. But over time, with enough content, those messages start to shape opinions. This shift will never happen if we rely solely on “facts and logic” to win arguments. People simply don’t operate that way.
At this point, after decades of the internet, it’s ignorant to think otherwise. We should all know better but somehow, we still don’t.
They won’t.
All of their rhetoric is bullshit to obscure the fact that they hate brown people, queer people, people who aren’t their religion, just anyone they’re angry at, really.
It really is that simple.
They’ll believe, to some extent, what they are saying, they’ll tie themselves up in knots, but ultimately, they’ll default to anything that allows them to laugh when people they think they are better than are made to suffer.
The few that manage to resolve the cognitive dissonance and realize they are in fact hateful bigots, and that… that is bad?
At that moment, they are no longer right wing.
No it isn’t and it never was. That was the excuse they used to cover their gun fetish. They always saw themselves as the shock troops of the authoritarian takeover, and the fact that they are delighted it’s happening is confirmation.
Disagree heavily. The right is a big umbrella term just like the left. I would put good money on it that a few groups are calling each other up and talking about this. I bet there will be big efforts to suppress this online.