I’d argue that a nuclear Iran is not the only threat to Israel. Pretty much every other nation in the region hates their guts and wants them wiped off the map, and Israel has only stopped this from happening due to western support for their military. Iran nuking them is definitely a threat. But the other big threat Israel must contend with is losing Western support and munitions. Without that, a coalition of Arab states would overrun Israel in a conventional war.
My bet: Israel knows it is losing the war of public opinion in the West. So it is trying to start a war with Iran to get the West to support it again. Your ally committing genocide against an enemy that has almost no resources and no means of escape is a difficult stance to maintain. But supporting your ally in a war against your sworn enemy has a lot more public appeal - or so Israel hopes.
I have to say this I don’t buy this constant nuclear threat. Iran supposedly started their nuclear program 30 years ago. Either they have a bomb or they will never get it. It doesn’t take that long to replicate what other countries did in a few years.
Oh they hate them, but they can’t do anything about them. Egypt had a go (with a load of Soviet Union support, back when that meant something), and after 6 days they’d lost a huge amount of their own country. Syria still haven’t got all their land back even now.
This attack appears to be timed to coincide with Trump’s 60 day deadline for whatever nonsense he thought they were going to agree to, so there’s a good chance the US told them to do it and when.
Right. My point is that the Arab states lost to Israel because Israel was backed by the West. Without western support, a tiny Jewish state with almost no natural resources and a small population would be hard-pressed to stand its ground against a coalition of Arab states with a much larger population, oil money, and possible Russian backing. All the Arab states would need to do is keep taking pot shots at Israel while their superior military technology degrades and their stockpiles dwindle. A modern fighter jet relies on thousands of hyper-specific, high precision parts which can only be sources from western manufacturers. One part breaks and your whole plane is grounded. Even if the Arab states are not in great shape themselves, they win a war of attrition handily - especially once the average Israeli sees the inevitable and flees, depriving Israel of its soldiers and intellectual economy.
Otoh, your timeline argument is reasonable, and I wouldn’t be surprised if this wasn’t a coincidence in one way or another.
They only really need the support of one western state, and it’s a big one. They are not going to abandon the precious “Holy Land” any time soon. I don’t know what the average American thinks is going on out there, but it ain’t that.
It wasn’t on the table during the election, and I doubt it will be in the future either. It’s practically a US outpost, and frankly, this should be considered a US attack on Iran. Nothing will be done about it either way.
Nuking israel would mean harming palestinians too. This will never happen. Iran is not crazy to nuke any other countries just like all the current nuclear powers
You seem to be entirely ignoring comtinual efforts to prevent them from becoming so empowered including murdering their scientists, bribing their leaders, drawing up agreements and them just not pushing it because the natural and expected results is war.
It is reasonable to expect that any given year the US would rather kill them all rather than let them have nukes.
He’s talking about Arab nations, Not Persian Iran. I mean I understand you had that response in your pocket for someone who can’t tell the difference between Persians/Iranians and Arabs. But that’s not what they did.
I’d argue that a nuclear Iran is not the only threat to Israel. Pretty much every other nation in the region hates their guts and wants them wiped off the map, and Israel has only stopped this from happening due to western support for their military. Iran nuking them is definitely a threat. But the other big threat Israel must contend with is losing Western support and munitions. Without that, a coalition of Arab states would overrun Israel in a conventional war.
My bet: Israel knows it is losing the war of public opinion in the West. So it is trying to start a war with Iran to get the West to support it again. Your ally committing genocide against an enemy that has almost no resources and no means of escape is a difficult stance to maintain. But supporting your ally in a war against your sworn enemy has a lot more public appeal - or so Israel hopes.
I have to say this I don’t buy this constant nuclear threat. Iran supposedly started their nuclear program 30 years ago. Either they have a bomb or they will never get it. It doesn’t take that long to replicate what other countries did in a few years.
Oh they hate them, but they can’t do anything about them. Egypt had a go (with a load of Soviet Union support, back when that meant something), and after 6 days they’d lost a huge amount of their own country. Syria still haven’t got all their land back even now.
This attack appears to be timed to coincide with Trump’s 60 day deadline for whatever nonsense he thought they were going to agree to, so there’s a good chance the US told them to do it and when.
Right. My point is that the Arab states lost to Israel because Israel was backed by the West. Without western support, a tiny Jewish state with almost no natural resources and a small population would be hard-pressed to stand its ground against a coalition of Arab states with a much larger population, oil money, and possible Russian backing. All the Arab states would need to do is keep taking pot shots at Israel while their superior military technology degrades and their stockpiles dwindle. A modern fighter jet relies on thousands of hyper-specific, high precision parts which can only be sources from western manufacturers. One part breaks and your whole plane is grounded. Even if the Arab states are not in great shape themselves, they win a war of attrition handily - especially once the average Israeli sees the inevitable and flees, depriving Israel of its soldiers and intellectual economy.
Otoh, your timeline argument is reasonable, and I wouldn’t be surprised if this wasn’t a coincidence in one way or another.
They only really need the support of one western state, and it’s a big one. They are not going to abandon the precious “Holy Land” any time soon. I don’t know what the average American thinks is going on out there, but it ain’t that.
It wasn’t on the table during the election, and I doubt it will be in the future either. It’s practically a US outpost, and frankly, this should be considered a US attack on Iran. Nothing will be done about it either way.
There are structural and cultural issues behind the military failures of Israel’s Arab neighbors that have nothing to do with Western support.
Nuking israel would mean harming palestinians too. This will never happen. Iran is not crazy to nuke any other countries just like all the current nuclear powers
You seem to be entirely ignoring comtinual efforts to prevent them from becoming so empowered including murdering their scientists, bribing their leaders, drawing up agreements and them just not pushing it because the natural and expected results is war.
It is reasonable to expect that any given year the US would rather kill them all rather than let them have nukes.
What makes you think any arab nation cares about the Palestinians’ well-being?
i can’t debate an idiot who think iran is an arab country
He’s talking about Arab nations, Not Persian Iran. I mean I understand you had that response in your pocket for someone who can’t tell the difference between Persians/Iranians and Arabs. But that’s not what they did.
That’s exactly what they did
The same point stands. What makes you think the Persians care about Palestinians?