Former New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said in a video released Monday that he will run an independent campaign for New York City mayor, weeks after losing the Democratic primary to Zohran Mamdani.
Won’t work. Democrats are like any other voting group: they stick with their party, no matter the majority candidate. Because losing to the enemy is worse than losing to an infra-party faction. This is how Trump got elected twice. It’ll happen again, because people are predictable.
Not true, unfortunately. In Buffalo, NY, traitor Byron Brown ran and won as a write in candidate after losing the Democratic mayoral primary to India Walton.
He’s just hoping that enough people vote for him that it’ll split the vote and that Adams will win. They’re liberals, they’d rather literal fascists win than leftists.
Even by running DNC is dumping their war chest on this fight. If Mamdani loses or fucks up, those are less funds in the DNC coffers and IMO draining those idiots of every cent is a valuable goal.
No, I’m not that pessimistic. Their allegiance is to party loyalty, not an opposing political viewpoint like facism. The guy’s a true believer, and his intent isn’t to sabotage to Democratic Party but to reform it. I don’t agree with all of his positions, but I like him better than Cuomo right now. The real issue is that Cuomo isn’t a right-wing Nazi like the Far-Left want you to believe. Maintain your centricity and don’t get played into viewing things the way the media outlets and political parties want you to see them.
No, he’s trying to win for his own ambition of power. Calling him a Nazi collaborator for that is idiotic. Just because what he’s doing helps Nazis doesn’t make him a collaborator. Grow the fuck up.
Y’all spent all general shouting how a vote for anyone other than Kamala was a vote for Trump and how those running third party campaigns are just helping Trump win.
Now that the shoe is on the other foot, third party candidates aren’t working for the other side?
All the people that had criticized the “vote blue no matter who” line of the centrists as being destructive in the long run, especially as people here started touting completely deranged things along the line of “Yeah both Harris and Trump want a genocide, but Harris will make less bad of a genocide than Trump, so we should vote her.”, are now having the “told you so” moment.
The entire talk in the general election was nothing but gaslighting the voters who refused to vote for genocide. The entire claim of “party loyalty” and “change through the party is possible” was a set of lies peddled by the “centrists” that rather want a fascist win than a modest social democrat, who wants to observe basic laws of the US and basic international laws. Now that this “loyalty” goes the other way, the centrists just flipped the script, proving that none of their claims were serious to begin with.
This is relevant, as it proves that the Democratic party is not the vehicle through which to bring positive change, at least not until all the DNC ghouls are kicked out of the party, publicly shamed and stripped of any political influence. Maybe Mamdani is a step in that direction, but we see how the DNC ghouls are already fighting back, as they have one goal and one goal only. To help the oligarchy exploit the people.
This is relevant, as it proves that the Democratic party is not the vehicle through which to bring positive change, at least not until all the DNC ghouls are kicked out of the party, publicly shamed and stripped of any political influence. Maybe Mamdani is a step in that direction, but we see how the DNC ghouls are already fighting back, as they have one goal and one goal only. To help the oligarchy exploit the people.
If this is how you see the Democratic Party, I don’t see how you have any right to call yourself a moderate and not a radical. You are quite clearly biased and unhinged. You’re not going to change my mind with that bullshit.
I have my problems with the Democrats, but viewing them in black and white is crazy.
If he knows what he is doing cannot possibly lead to his own success, splitting the blue vote can’t lead to him winning, then he is deliberately trying to put the nazis in power over his citizens knowing some of them will be harmed. He’s absolutely a collaborator.
I’m sure he thinks he can win. But even if he didn’t, that doesn’t make him a collaborator. You misunderstand the term. It requires intent. You’re just trying to stack the deck by polarizing it. And I’m sure you think you’re doing the right thing. It’s just that your willful ignorance about the semantics of the term you’re using is harmful. Casting Cuomo as a Nazi gains you nothing but self-righteous purpose. Your cause isn’t righteous, no more than any other cause. You’re just an ideologue of a particular stripe. Have fun being that. From what I hear, it’s a lonely existence.
Nobody who splits his own sides vote can win mathematically. To simplify you need side /2 - loss from infighting > opposition.
By continuing to shit on your own side you tend not only to draw votes for yourself you tend to decrease turnout, enthusiasm, and tell the other sides story for them. All with zero hope of actually winning because you will never out earn the default party vote. EG if just 10% just vote for the official party members it doesn’t matter if you convince 55% of the remaining side to side with you you’ve already lost.
This is why this strategy hasn’t worked this century.
Please pray tell when has a major election been won by a fellow running against his own side? Be specific. Remember major impact elections like Mayor of NYC +
Clearly Cuomo’s loyalty is not to party because if it was he wouldn’t still be running. I also don’t believe Cuomo believes in anything but himself and his own advantage and the advantage of his big donors. However I’m not saying Cuomo is a far right Nazi. I’m just saying he’d rather a far right Nazi win than a leftist. Though arguably that would imply…
However I’d like to ask you to keep the personal insults to a minimum.
That’s not how it played out in Buffalo NY in their last mayoral election. A socialist won the primary and the Democratic party launched a massive write-in campaign to keep their preferred liberal “Byron Brown” in power, to the point they were handing out stamps at voting locations so that they could be used to easily “write” him. They succeeded in keeping the socialist candidate out, and despite winning, their liberal candidate ended up resigning mid-term to take a cushy C-suite job instead.
Well, that was the assumption every time progressives warned centrists that people would stay home if the administration didn’t abandon their unconditional arms sales that everyone knew were being used for genocide.
You’re expecting greater benefit of the doubt than the anti-genocide left got from centrists. None is forthcoming. You were advocating against voting because you want sliwa to win.
Won’t work. Democrats are like any other voting group: they stick with their party, no matter the majority candidate. Because losing to the enemy is worse than losing to an infra-party faction. This is how Trump got elected twice. It’ll happen again, because people are predictable.
Not true, unfortunately. In Buffalo, NY, traitor Byron Brown ran and won as a write in candidate after losing the Democratic mayoral primary to India Walton.
He’s just hoping that enough people vote for him that it’ll split the vote and that Adams will win. They’re liberals, they’d rather literal fascists win than leftists.
Even by running DNC is dumping their war chest on this fight. If Mamdani loses or fucks up, those are less funds in the DNC coffers and IMO draining those idiots of every cent is a valuable goal.
If the market doesn’t agree with a democratic victory centrists won’t abandon the market, they will abandon victory.
The Jill Stein approach then…
is any republican even campaigining, either one will try to give each other win, adams is clearly a republican.
No, I’m not that pessimistic. Their allegiance is to party loyalty, not an opposing political viewpoint like facism. The guy’s a true believer, and his intent isn’t to sabotage to Democratic Party but to reform it. I don’t agree with all of his positions, but I like him better than Cuomo right now. The real issue is that Cuomo isn’t a right-wing Nazi like the Far-Left want you to believe. Maintain your centricity and don’t get played into viewing things the way the media outlets and political parties want you to see them.
He’s trying to split the vote as a spoiler candidate to allow the NAZI party win. Which makes him a NAZI collaborator.
No, he’s trying to win for his own ambition of power. Calling him a Nazi collaborator for that is idiotic. Just because what he’s doing helps Nazis doesn’t make him a collaborator. Grow the fuck up.
Y’all spent all general shouting how a vote for anyone other than Kamala was a vote for Trump and how those running third party campaigns are just helping Trump win.
Now that the shoe is on the other foot, third party candidates aren’t working for the other side?
“A vote for Cuomo is a vote for Sliwa.”.
Sure is neat how voting third party suddenly isn’t collaboration.
Sure is neat how your argument has no relevance.
Anyone with the slightest criticism of biden or harris last year was called a trump supporter.
And anyone with the slightest support of them here is called a genocide supporter. Your point?
All the people that had criticized the “vote blue no matter who” line of the centrists as being destructive in the long run, especially as people here started touting completely deranged things along the line of “Yeah both Harris and Trump want a genocide, but Harris will make less bad of a genocide than Trump, so we should vote her.”, are now having the “told you so” moment.
The entire talk in the general election was nothing but gaslighting the voters who refused to vote for genocide. The entire claim of “party loyalty” and “change through the party is possible” was a set of lies peddled by the “centrists” that rather want a fascist win than a modest social democrat, who wants to observe basic laws of the US and basic international laws. Now that this “loyalty” goes the other way, the centrists just flipped the script, proving that none of their claims were serious to begin with.
This is relevant, as it proves that the Democratic party is not the vehicle through which to bring positive change, at least not until all the DNC ghouls are kicked out of the party, publicly shamed and stripped of any political influence. Maybe Mamdani is a step in that direction, but we see how the DNC ghouls are already fighting back, as they have one goal and one goal only. To help the oligarchy exploit the people.
If this is how you see the Democratic Party, I don’t see how you have any right to call yourself a moderate and not a radical. You are quite clearly biased and unhinged. You’re not going to change my mind with that bullshit.
I have my problems with the Democrats, but viewing them in black and white is crazy.
If he knows what he is doing cannot possibly lead to his own success, splitting the blue vote can’t lead to him winning, then he is deliberately trying to put the nazis in power over his citizens knowing some of them will be harmed. He’s absolutely a collaborator.
I’m sure he thinks he can win. But even if he didn’t, that doesn’t make him a collaborator. You misunderstand the term. It requires intent. You’re just trying to stack the deck by polarizing it. And I’m sure you think you’re doing the right thing. It’s just that your willful ignorance about the semantics of the term you’re using is harmful. Casting Cuomo as a Nazi gains you nothing but self-righteous purpose. Your cause isn’t righteous, no more than any other cause. You’re just an ideologue of a particular stripe. Have fun being that. From what I hear, it’s a lonely existence.
Nobody who splits his own sides vote can win mathematically. To simplify you need side /2 - loss from infighting > opposition.
By continuing to shit on your own side you tend not only to draw votes for yourself you tend to decrease turnout, enthusiasm, and tell the other sides story for them. All with zero hope of actually winning because you will never out earn the default party vote. EG if just 10% just vote for the official party members it doesn’t matter if you convince 55% of the remaining side to side with you you’ve already lost.
This is why this strategy hasn’t worked this century.
Please pray tell when has a major election been won by a fellow running against his own side? Be specific. Remember major impact elections like Mayor of NYC +
Clearly Cuomo’s loyalty is not to party because if it was he wouldn’t still be running. I also don’t believe Cuomo believes in anything but himself and his own advantage and the advantage of his big donors. However I’m not saying Cuomo is a far right Nazi. I’m just saying he’d rather a far right Nazi win than a leftist. Though arguably that would imply…
However I’d like to ask you to keep the personal insults to a minimum.
hes only running because the DNC saw madami was running and gaining in popularity.
This is the same Cuomo who appointed two republican judges as a f.u. to the Democratic party for pushing him out for his many crimes
That’s not how it played out in Buffalo NY in their last mayoral election. A socialist won the primary and the Democratic party launched a massive write-in campaign to keep their preferred liberal “Byron Brown” in power, to the point they were handing out stamps at voting locations so that they could be used to easily “write” him. They succeeded in keeping the socialist candidate out, and despite winning, their liberal candidate ended up resigning mid-term to take a cushy C-suite job instead.
Oh. So you mean they will vote for the democrat candidate Mamdani…… right? Right?
Yes, or just not vote at all.
And just like that, not voting became acceptable. Sure is neat what having a progressive nominee will do.
Progressives vote more as a voting block than conservatives do. Oh, were you hoping that would be a sick burn?
And you’re advocating for not voting because a progressive won the nomination.
What gave you the impression I was advocating for not voting? I said I expected some Democrats to not vote, not that I supported it.
Well, that was the assumption every time progressives warned centrists that people would stay home if the administration didn’t abandon their unconditional arms sales that everyone knew were being used for genocide.
You’re expecting greater benefit of the doubt than the anti-genocide left got from centrists. None is forthcoming. You were advocating against voting because you want sliwa to win.
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It doubly won’t work since isn’t Eric Adams doing the same thing? Two establishment politicians running as independents?