• Tinidril@midwest.social
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    14 hours ago

    Great way to logic. Let me try…

    You cannot reform the United States of America because at it’s core it is a capitalist and imperialist country that will always put corporate interests over human interests.

    Oh shit, now the whole project is hopeless. Let me try again.

    You cannot reform humanity because at it’s core it is selfish and self-serving.

    I guess we are all fucked. Or maybe we grow the fuck up and deal with the reality of what’s in front of us and the work involved in making things better. If we can’t reform the Democrats, then we have no chance in hell of shepherding a new party from nothing to national powerhouse without losing it to the same corrupting forces that hold the Democrats. Never-mind the realities of what it would take to take over the country with a third party in a first past the post system.

    • Let me borrow a quote (paraphrase) from Rumsfeld: You build a society with the people you have, not the people you wish you had or may have at some future time

      (Feel free to credit that directly to Rumsfeld. It’d piss him off.)

      All nations are peopled with selfish and self-serving apes. We’ve always depended on sociological tricks to get them to function within the social contract, but it does mean those with more power tend to try to hoard it, and the mechanisms we used to curb that were all captured and broken.

      We can build a better society, but it will mean either violently seizing the property of those in power, or threatening them with an even greater violence that could ruin all they value. General strikes have been effective sometimes in Europe, but it’s think-outside-the-box time.

      Since we don’t have a salted hydrogen bomb, I got nothing personally, but I haven’t stopped thinking about it.

    • Abigaelle@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      9 hours ago

      You cannot reform the United States of America because at it’s core it is a capitalist and imperialist country that will always put corporate interests over human interests.

      I mean, did you ever reform the USA to be anything but that?

      Yes, the USA is a capitalist and imperialist country at its core. Half the planet wants it dead, the other half look at it with disdain. Nothing short of going back to the drawing board will save a country built on genocide, land theft and staging coups and waging wars worldwide

      • Genius@lemmy.zip
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        2 hours ago

        Be a lot easier to overthrow the USA if they’re run by the meek and useless Democrats than the guy who turned ICE into the biggest law enforcement agency