I never was a Tweeter, but I joined it when it was new just to hang out with the artists and gamers. I just recently deleted my account. It’s not for me. Becoming too Twitteresque. Smaller Mastodon instances have better communities and more relevant posts for me.
how decentralized is bluesky really?
I keep this link around for this question and curious about others thoughts. I’m basically fine with fediverse alternatives nowadays, I never post much anyways. I’m fine with not joining bluesky and just sticking to activitypub and remain skeptical about AT proto. People much smarter than me that actually build things in this space seem to be skeptical too.
It’s fine right now still, but given it’s a centralized, corporate-run platform at the end of the day, I’m skeptical of its long-term prospects; what’s stopping the guys in charge of that platform from going turncoat and turning it fully into Twitter 2.0?
Mastodon by contrast of being an open, decentralized platform, has some immunity against the enshittification that will inevitably ruin any centralized platform.
It is Twitter 2.0 The question his will he sell it out like Twitter 1.0 ?
You mean when. When is the question.
I always assumed that was the plan. “We sold twitter for so much $! Let’s do that again!”
I will probably switch to AT proto via Wafrn. (When I feel like getting around to do it.)
IMO AT proto is better protocol for web 3.0 social media than activity pub that feels like web 1.0 with interoperability.
AT proto is based on identities not on instances. If your instance is gone then too bad. Your account is gone too. In AT proto you can forcefully migrate your account.
Subscribing to independed labellers and feeds is also good. It feels like build your social media but with modularity than interconnected silos of instances.
I don’t like that AT proto is controlled by bluesky but usefulness is better that principle. I will just switch to another thing when it enshittifies enough.
I’m still a user but prefer Mastadon and Lemmy from a user and engagement perspective
Avoid Bluesky.
“When asked if Bluesky would always be free of advertisers like it is today, Graber said: “I don’t think that’s necessarily true.”” —https://techcrunch.com/2024/12/05/bluesky-ceo-jay-graber-is-reshaping-social-media-but-advertising-isnt-off-the-table/
the legion of shills all but disappeared about 3 months in. i guess their budget ran out. but at least we stopped getting the anti-fedi pro-bluesky spam here at the fediverse so i don’t care anymore if its alive or not. mastodon is the only social media i use today not counting aggregation portals like lemmy.
VC financed social media at the start of its enshittification journey. Started interesting with open protocol but seems it has no ambitions of being open.
Deleted my account 6 months ago and haven’t missed it.
It’s not compatible at all. And bots acting as bridges isn’t compatibility.
As for self hosting an instance that is federated with the official Bluesky instance, you will only be able to do that in your dreams. You can self host your own PDS though.
Bluesky is the most centralized decentralized platform
It’s just twitter 2.0, may as well be closed source, and it’s a joke to call it decentralized. I’m only on there because the community I keep up with is mostly on there, but the site is literally unusable without the blocklist feature, which of its own is incredibly easy to abuse. It was far better when it was almost entirely a leftist space, before the big twitter exodus of liberals.
Mastodon’s looking far better on the casual usability front lately so maybe folks will start moving over there soon.
As far as I know Bluesky protocol is open-source but not its main app. Also, there are several apps available to use Mastodon. Additionally, note that Bluesky uses the AT Protocol (developed by Bluesky) while Mastodon uses ActivityPub (W3C standard) which is more friendly for third-party devs.
As far as federation is concerned it’s still mostly centralized with Bluesky while Mastodon is fully federated.
Something I personaly like as well with Mastodon is that the feeds don’t use algorithms.
Mastodon builds on the ActivityPub protocol with its own API, but the last time I looked into it, the documentation of the API was poor, so it was difficult to develop for.
I haven’t looked at the BlueSky docs so I can’t compare, but it sticks in my craw a bit seeing the words “friendly for third-party devs” being used in the same sentence with Mastodon
Not being a developer myself, the wording may not be the best sorry. The take home message was that Mastodon seems more prone to external development based on its protocol and the fact that more than 20 apps already exist (all platforms included).
Outside of using several apps to use Mastodon, I personaly rely on its API only to add Mastodon posts as comments on my static blog.
The ecosystem is not so healthy on the server side, and I think the API documentation is a major factor.
The project has been sitting on this for many yearsYou could say it’s an improvement over BlueSky because with Mastodon you can host your own server, but if you don’t like their server, then you’re out of options
It never had a chance. There’s no way to make profit selling ads and user data and have it be decentralized. They are conflicting goals.
I’m not saying there aren’t other ways to make a profit on a decentralized platform, but they never said they had any other business model, so we had to assume that the traditional one was it, and we were right.
Bluesky isnt decentralized
Works fine. Most of the artists I followed from twitter moved there. and its quite a nice place.
certainly more hospitable than the nazi platform, that’s for sure.
I’m not saying I’m very knowledgeable but as your asking for the consensus. I think Bluesky is much better than twitter but it doesn’t properly embody the ideals of the fediverse: that is a decentralized network of instances but it really only has one main instance. It’s also heavily viewed as an alternative to twitter, people who like twitter but don’t like X or the way elon musk is running things so the same people who don’t like twitter go to X and therefore the community isn’t so much better.
But who am I to say this I don’t even use twitter mastadon or Bluesky.
It’s still for profit, not federated and
closed sourceso honestly I don’t know why it’s being discussed hereclosed source
Bluesky is open source.
I don’t know why it’s being discussed here
It is being discussed to see if things have changed.
My bad, I’m not an expert here but it’s weird that it’s open source and yet nobody else can have a bluesky? Like could I download that code and make a bluesky for everyone? If so why has nobody else done it? why is there only one for profit bluesky?
To answer your question though, no nothing has changed.
Free Our Feeds is trying to make this happen
But if it’s open source what is stopping them from simply creating another bluesky like yesterday?
From what I can tell, Bluesky is much more demanding in terms of the technical challenge of doing this on your own, and part of the issue is that some of the key tools to make this easier don’t really exist yet, making it much harder than setting up a Mastodon instance for example, so part of what they want to do is bridge that gap as well as stand up more independent servers.
So to make a bluesky with (for example) two users is available for anyone to create at any time, but is so extremely technically intensive that absolutely nobody besides the one company is capable of doing it? You don’t find that the slightest bit odd? I think the open source and decentralized claimes are straight up lies.
