Exciting, but not holding my breath now that paramount is merging with sky :/
All of them? Except the ones for children
I actually liked Prodigy quite a lot. :)
Prodigy is excellent.
DS9 sucks IMO
You’re allowed to have incorrect opinions.
lol
Did you watch beyond the first season?
Honestly as far as first seasons in Trek go, DS9 is far from the worst. Duet is still one of my favourite episodes in all of Trek.
I would prefer to watch S1 TNG over DS9 any day.
But DS9 is one of my favourite shows with some very likeable characters
I watched the whole series up to the bitter end. It was still Star Trek, but they included some concepts that left a bad taste in my mouth. Religion, being the one.
Ah, the Bejorans and their prophets, but that was more just wormhole aliens and not omnipotent gods.
They tried really hard to sell the ending as something for-religion as opposed to it being about aliens. Maybe just my interpretation but that ruined it for me. I won’t say only DS9 did this because the original show also acknowledged “god” but I attributed that to at least for being in its time. DS9 had no excuse and should not have entertained it.
Interesting, I don’t think I ever saw it as anything other than some weird immortal aliens in non corporal form.
I do find it annoying that the aliens don’t even grasp what time is, but one of them married a guy for several years and returned to the wormhole, but… yeah…
How about, and hear me out on this…give us a good, well written series and ease off in the callbacks and blatant shameless fan service. If you feel so compelled to do that era, give us a compelling show about the Earth Romulan War, with new characters on a new ship and a new crew with the occasional rare cameo.
This doesn’t mean make Reed the captain with Sato as his first officer and Mayweather as the second officer with Phlox and T’Pol showing up every other episode, constantly contacting Archer, and directly referencing Enterprise episodes every 4-7 minutes while featuring a young Sarek who becomes a regular cast member in season 2 and oh look ancestors of Kirk and Riker…
Everyone is always focused on a new ship and crew. DS9 proved you don’t need that to make a great Trek.
A well written show about how the Admiralty handles this early situations like the Earth Romulan War on a larger scale, that then sometimes dives down into those early Startleet officers trying to handle those directly would be a unique perspective really only DS9 and a handful of scenes in SNW sort of scratched the surface with.
Everyone is always focused on a new ship and crew. DS9 proved you don’t need that to make a great Trek.
DS9 had not just a new starship but a whole new type of location instead of a ship with a memberberry name l. Also, besides Miles who was only a minor character in TNG and only in DS9 became a fleshed out person and Worf much later in the show, every character was a brand new one (with the exception of some side characters that came back for an episode or two but not every week).
DS9 is a good example of what OP means.
The Defiant wasn’t introduced until the third season, the DS9 series was already established by that point as having the Station be the equivalent of the ships from previous series. And after introduction it was only in a fraction of the episodes.
The Defiant was not the primary location of the show, it was the Delta Flyer of DS9. It was useful for certain stories to be told outside the station, but it was not the focus of the show.
But who’s talking about the Defiant?
Maybe I misread your previous comment. It seemed like you were talking about how DS9 had both a new ship, the Defiant, and the station. And the OP I originally responded to specifically mentioned using a new ship and crew.
I was pointing out that a new ship wasn’t even necessary as long as there was an interesting enough location, like DS9’s station. Focusing on Starfleet HQ specifically and the Admiralty’s decisions as Starfleet is created, as opposed to frontline crews can be an interesting location we haven’t seen yet. And different enough that it’s not just another ship and crew puttering about like most of the shows have been.
My comment was meant as "we need a new location and DS9 was a prime example of a new location because it wasn’t just a new ship (a ship is a location) but a new typeof location, too (because it wasn’t a ship).
And the OP I originally responded to specifically mentioned using a new ship and crew.
I guess that’s because most Star Trek shows take place on a starship. I didn’t read it as they specifically want a new ship but more as “please, don’t give us another show about known characters in a location we already know”.
I personally couldn’t care less about admiralty in HQ though. In Star Trek, that is marketed by “where no one has gone before” I want to see acting crews far away from the comfortability of making decisions behind a desk.
We are yet to get an admirality based show also. War time admirals show please. Fighting on two fronts, problems with politicians. Home front and civil liberties issues. Weapons development and labs. Intelligence failures, double agents, and insurgencies. All set in the trek Universe.
That sounds fantastic. No way it’ll happen!
How about you do a new show in the TNG / DS9 timeline, PLEASE.
New crew, new ship, none of the lens flares, no dumb pew pew pew, have intelligently written episodes, focus on positivism which we all need… Make real star trek again!
Take a lootk at “The Orville”, especially season 2. THAT is what I want, that is great star trek. Please please please!
Instead of an 80s genre theme song like they did with Enterprise … they’ll probably upgrade to a 90s ska band style in this one.
I’m one of the rare defenders of Enterprise mostly because I just really like Bakula in the role of a gruffer, more inherently American early Captain, so while I hate all these prequels and midquels and stuff they keep pumping out, I would probably watch if Bakula reprised the role.
The beginning of the Federation is a unique space to look closer at. Sort of similar to how Starfleet Academy clearly won’t be following a ship’s adventures. Take a more DS9 approach to it, focusing on the innet working of the Admiralty and Day to day operations at the command level, and it could work despite being a prequel timeframe.
One of the reasons Enterprise worked as well as it did was because it wasn’t as beholden to the existing canon. It was far enough removed in the timeline that it didn’t need to address most existing canon events. The ship wasn’t fast enough to get to far flung regions, and it allowed us to see the start of humanity’s exploration without the corrupted Admiralty of Starfleet in the TNG/DS9/VOY era.
SNW is great, but it is limited by the tight confines of its place in the chronology. Similar to Disco before its leap forward, except Disco had the added complexity of a magical propulsion system no one outside the crew could really know about.
I really agree early federation is very untapped, and despite it’s flaws I liked enterprise and consider it a mostly successful experiment in the franchise. Archer was a great character in terms of bringing up the early fundamentals of the federation but having to operate without having it’s often overwhelming force behind him.
I also like Archer in Enterprise, despite most of the fandom really not liking him.
I feel it’s completely unrealistic to expect him to be as much of a polished and perfect Starfleet officer as, say, Picard or Pike are.
He’s doing all of this stuff for the first time, with completely inadequate training, very little in the way of standard procedures imposed by the Earth government, etc. he also doesn’t have captain’s logs from others to pore through and learn from.
He’s an ex test pilot who’s been given command basics that are completely inadequate for interplanetary exploration and diplomacy, and he’s expected to learn on the fly.
People complain that he’s out of his depth half the time, but that’s the entire theme of the show.
It’s actually somewhat fun - as a one off for a Trek series - to see humans not be hypercompetent and perfect, while at the same time trying to be. You can see that they’re not at the level of evolved sensibilities that we see in TNG, but they want to be. That’s their goal. They’re trying to be. And not half-arsed trying either, they’re genuinely putting as much effort as they can to better themselves as a species. They’re risking their lives to be a positive force in the galaxy, only to end up making a mess of it and sometimes making stuff worse, but it works as a series because you can see it comes not from malice, but from a desire to do good. They’re trying to impose good morals on a galaxy full of realpolitik and shades of grey. It’s like watching Superman, except unlike Superman they don’t have might to back themselves up, quite the opposite, they’re small fish trying to impose goodwill onto the great whites. I find that very endearing.
I miss Enterprise. It’s a great shame we never got to see the Earth-Romulan war and more of the political back and forth between the Federation founder worlds.
I think this isn’t really a minority opinion anymore. Not even just in comparison to the current crop of ST. It was a jarring tonal shift at the time. But I think Enterprise aged very well. I’ve rewatched the Xindi arc numerous times .
the bakula is bakula
Not content to do just another prequel, they think we need President Duchess? Please for Koala’s sake give us the post-Dominion War series we deserve.
Have you taken a look at Star Trek: Resurgence at all? It’s a recent Telltale-style Star Trek adventure game taking place in the post-Dominion War Star Trek universe. It follows a new cast of characters on a random science vessel getting into Star Trek shenanigans. There’s some small lore callbacks and cameos, but it’s mostly just trying to tell its own 12 hour story.
I haven’t, but that sounds great! I’ll check it out.
It’s been a long road
Getting from here to there
Are we still doing “phrasing”?
He’s a great actor. I’d give it a good try
So is Jason Isaacs. But I checked out long before he did. Star Trek has lots of great actors. What they need currently is great writers that want to tell a star trek story.
SNW works despite the callbacks and familiar cast, not because of it. Uhura could be a different named character and the show would not change. Spock is the only part that would need to change. He’s good in itz the actor and is his character, but they could explore the same themes and plots with a different romulan if they wanted to. It would be different without falling back on the half han part, but the difference would be more interesting.
Have a romulan that was not half human and was more conflicted in emotion than Spock.
SNW is why I don’t have a lot of hope for whatever trek is next. That show smells like certain show runners lobbing in the dumbest ideas for stark trek, and a competent team of writers making it actually good.
“Hey let’s have… pike who… knows his fate because of time crystals and… Hey y’know that romulan captain episode is really popular. Just do that again but modern” honestly a terrible idea. Somehow the episode is actually pretty decent though. Like you said, works despite everything.
I like the actor, the character, and the series, but I really don’t think we need a President “torture is okay if its worth it” Archer series right now 🤷
I always read his last name as something else.
Why not? He’s always had really good series. I used to watch him in time leap as a kid.
Quantum Leap?
Lol yeah that one!
Eh, seeing that all of the NuTrek has been boring, stupid and resorted to pandering to nostalgia I most likely won’t bother watching that, either.
One season of Sexually Transmitted: Disease was enough for me to swear off whatever the money hungry corpos make.
I don’t care about Picard the action hero, either. Just let Star Trek be, and don’t try to make it into a huge cult like Star Wars
what do you mean with one season of sexually transmitted disease?
Star Trek: Discovery, very appropriate since the show is AAAAIIIIDDSSSSS
what do you mean with aids. And why are you calling a show with queer characters aids?
The show itself is ass regardless of the orientation of any of the characters.
Because it’s shit. Also: see Rich Evans
YOU are the one who equated aids with queer characters, I didn’t even know there were some in the show
How can you hate the show so much if you never watched it?
I did watch the first season, that made me to not want to see any more nuTrek. Cringy action filled garbage
Then you’d know about Stamets and Culber. They were series regulars. They had some very memorable moments in that season.
Strange New Worlds is pretty good overall
Yeah no, not interested. Pandering to nostalgia, again. And with Kurtzman? Eughhhh
Eat your slop all you want, if you don’t care about quality. Just know that the more people watch that crap, the more crap will be incentivized to be made
