• pyre@lemmy.world
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    12 hours ago

    why are internet atheists so embarrassing man… this is literally the same thing as showing a physics book and saying “proof that physics exists” thinking you made an excellent point.

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      9 hours ago

      Thing about physics books, you can literally go and prove every single claim in them by yourself, if you have the required technical and intellectual capabilities.

      That’s why they’re fundamentally different to the quran, the bible and Spiderman. Those three consist to a large extent of completely unfalsifiable claims.

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        8 hours ago

        that’s why it’s a stupid way to make the point. the image just says “they believe it because a book exists” which is not true.

        also it’s one thing to not have respect for religion but you gotta respect the hyphen; it’s spider-man.

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          5 hours ago

          The image doesn’t say “they believe it because a book exists.”

          The image says “they think the existence of the book is proof of its contents.”

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            2 hours ago

            no it doesn’t. because it wouldn’t make sense to add spider-man in that case.

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              16 minutes ago

              Bible believers and quran believers actually do point at their books and claim they are proof of their religion. No spider-man (there, I added the hyphen for you) reader, religious or not, big comic nerd or not, would ever say the comic is proof of spider-man’s existence because of course that’s ridiculous. So adding spider-man to this meme does make a lot of sense - putting them in contrast, hoping to make people understand how illogical it is to treat certain man made works of fiction so completely differently than others.

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              You’re so close but still missing the point.

              The spider-man comic is supposed to be the silly, unbelievable example. It’s not supposed to make sense. People don’t believe in spider-man just because there’s books about him, but they do believe in God/Allah for that reason. But that’s a silly reason to believe in anything. That much is obvious with spider-man, as you seem to understand. It’s less obvious with people’s dieties for some reason.

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      8 hours ago

      You’re entirely right, yet also entirely missing the point.

      The proof of Physics existing isn’t in the book, and no physicist would claim you take what’s in the book on faith, nor that it’s unquestionable, nor that other books on physics are lies, nor kill/lynch/shun people for studying the universe through other perspectives like chemistry or mathematics or biology.

      Asked for proof of Physics, physicists make predictions that can be reliably reproduced, not telling you to read the Physics book harder.

      Regardless, everyone is new sometime, why not provide links, a counter argument or anything useful rather than just deriding them? This way you mostly come off as an ass who doesn’t understand the argument.