There is no such thing as an age verification system that doesn’t either directly lead back to your ID or is useless because it can be easily circumvented. If the certificates can’t be traced back to you you can just hand them out to every teenager on the internet and you have a moral obligation to do so, and if they can it’s the same as uploading your ID just to fix your steps, including a database that can be hacked to reveal all of the connections to all of the things or be accessed by a malicious government to persecute people who watch gay porn or something
what’s to stop me from verifying people who aren’t me with them? I’ll hand out zero-knowledge proof tokens to anyone who asks if they can’t be traced back to me
I’m not the right person to ask, as I only really have a basic, cursory understanding of how they work… But if they can prevent anyone except me from spending my Monero, I imagine someone could figure it out.
They can’t stop you giving your Monero keys to someone else, and then they can spend it, too. You not wanting other people to spend your Monero is key to it working, and that doesn’t necessarily apply if, e.g. you’ve got family or close friends you’d be willing to have a shared wallet with.
Client side verification, that only shares the verification/proof thumbs up to the requestor, could work in such scenario. Very similar to digital payment cards such as seen in Apple Pay. You verify with your biometrics, anyone can only use it in that brief moment of time, but you cannot share that card. When paying, the device will only quickly check key details of that card to execute payment.
The problem isn’t hacking. It’s buying a license to use the aggregate data for things like training and user data hoarding. It’s all legal and buried in the fine print of B2B agreements and sometimes the EULA or a pop up under the guise of “convenience” or “security”. Users usually agree to being safer or living easier.
There is no such thing as an age verification system that doesn’t either directly lead back to your ID or is useless because it can be easily circumvented. If the certificates can’t be traced back to you you can just hand them out to every teenager on the internet and you have a moral obligation to do so, and if they can it’s the same as uploading your ID just to fix your steps, including a database that can be hacked to reveal all of the connections to all of the things or be accessed by a malicious government to persecute people who watch gay porn or something
You could do it with zero-knowledge proofs.
Not that anyone will. Maybe Norway or some shit.
what’s to stop me from verifying people who aren’t me with them? I’ll hand out zero-knowledge proof tokens to anyone who asks if they can’t be traced back to me
I’m not the right person to ask, as I only really have a basic, cursory understanding of how they work… But if they can prevent anyone except me from spending my Monero, I imagine someone could figure it out.
They can’t stop you giving your Monero keys to someone else, and then they can spend it, too. You not wanting other people to spend your Monero is key to it working, and that doesn’t necessarily apply if, e.g. you’ve got family or close friends you’d be willing to have a shared wallet with.
Client side verification, that only shares the verification/proof thumbs up to the requestor, could work in such scenario. Very similar to digital payment cards such as seen in Apple Pay. You verify with your biometrics, anyone can only use it in that brief moment of time, but you cannot share that card. When paying, the device will only quickly check key details of that card to execute payment.
Client side verification is easy to bypass, so that doesn’t work for anything. You just send back a firmly response with a modified app or something
It works using encryption so it can’t be traced back. But yes, you could technically share it with others
The problem isn’t hacking. It’s buying a license to use the aggregate data for things like training and user data hoarding. It’s all legal and buried in the fine print of B2B agreements and sometimes the EULA or a pop up under the guise of “convenience” or “security”. Users usually agree to being safer or living easier.
Any sort of discrimination scheme (and that is what this is) requires identification of the individual.