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TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world to Political Memes@lemmy.world ·
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American "left" and "liberal" can't decide if they're in the same nutshell.

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American "left" and "liberal" can't decide if they're in the same nutshell.

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    Two things:

    Leftists did vote for Clinton. (You’ll recall she got more votes.) That is despite the fact that she was a piece-of-shit candidate that we didn’t want, and didn’t win the primary.

    Harris was just plain stupidity. You can’t look poor people in the eye for three months and tell them you won’t change anything and still claim to be decent, much less a legitimate presidential candidate.

    Respectfully, you’re being very unreasonable. You don’t get to punch the voters in the face and then whine that you broke your hand.

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      Kamala wasn’t a great candidate. But there were 2 options, and the other is deploying the military against civilians, ignoring due process.and court orders, and ordering states to imprison the homeless while ensuring an economic collapse that will create more homeless people.

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        Ignoring the problems with Bidens’ and then Harris’ campaign, which were disastrous and failed to earn the votes of many working class Americans, is precisely how the Democrats will continue to lose even in the face of unpopular fascist opposition.

        Zohran Mamdani has been a microcosm of this paradigm shift. Progressive policies are incredibly popular because they address the material harms people face. Anti-israel policies are incredibly popular and only getting more so as Israel and the US continue to facilitate this genocide.

        The corporate neoliberalism of the Democratic Party establishment is a critical part of the problem that got us to fascism. We need progressive candidates at all levels to dramatically reform the party and represent the working class constituency it’s supposed to represent.

        Progressive policies that a majority of Americans support

        Here Are 34 Polls That Show A Ceasefire & Weapons Embargo Help Kamala Win

        Kamala Would Have Won With A Weapons Embargo

        Democrats’ Working-Class Failures, Analysis Finds, Are ‘Why Trump Beat Harris’

        2024 Post-Election Report: A retrospective and longitudinal data analysis on why Trump beat Harris

        How Trump and Harris Voters See America’s Role in the World

        Majority of Americans support progressive policies such as higher minimum wage, free college

        Democrats should run on the popular progressive ideas, but not the unpopular ones

        Here Are 7 ‘Left Wing’ Ideas (Almost) All Americans Can Get Behind

        Finding common ground: 109 national policy proposals with bipartisan support

        Progressive Policies Are Popular Policies

        Tim Walz’s Progressive Policies Popular With Republicans in Swing States

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          Yeah, true progressives are great.

          But that doesn’t mean you should hand power to treasonous, fascist rapists when your favorite candidate doesn’t get the nomination.

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            The Democratic Party did hand over power to treasonous fascist rapists, and they did so by running such a bad campaign, despite the consistent polling and public sentiment that showed exactly what needed to change. That’s precisely the issue I’m getting at. The Democratic Party establishment clearly prefers losing to fascists over representing everyday americans

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          I think you have definitely nailed the issues of most of the Democratic Party politicians in power. The Democratic Party Politicians don’t necessarily represent the interests of their leftist-liberal voters. They probably will continue to not do so if they are in safe seats and funded by corporations.

          What needs to change at the local level, state level, and federal level is implementing an Alternative Voting system. As this is the key way we will be able to get progressive politicians, that support progressive policies, into power.

          NYC had Ranked Choice Voting and it likely contributed in part to people feeling safe to vote their conscience and list Mamdani at the top of the ticket.

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          it has been shown that many counties voting places were rigged for trump, so she wouldve won anyways, if she hadnt actually conceded too quickly. Also dems dont fight election rigging by the gop at all.

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      splitter!

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      Your profile is interesting. It’s almost like you believe a minority can do everything because you’re “right.” Are you in the burn it all down camp?

      Artist, musical performer, and former derby skater from the Midwest.

      I’m single, childless, and married to freedom and adventure.

      ACAB, Anti-War, and I hate Democrats, Republicans, and billionaires.

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      Right…here we go with the purity tests again. If you don’t believe exactly what I believe, you dont deserve my vote. Its this attitude that got us a second Trump presidency, and how’s that working out for us?

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        Purity test = genocide good or bad.

        If you fail this test, you deserve everything that happens to you.

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          If there is anything worthwhile for being a purity test, it’s being pro or anti genocide.

          How can people expect any party who doesn’t care about genocide, to care about democracy?

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      harris was not voted for, purely out of sexisms, sorry but even people on the left can be a little sexist.

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      Biden still got the most votes of any presidential candidates.

      I’m rubbing the non-voter’s noses in the mess they made and hope they’ll do better in the midterms.

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        Without COVID Biden would have lost too.

        Though, it was important to see Democrats demonstrate, publicly, that brain damage and genocide are not disqualifiers for the presidency in their view.

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          Biden’s ass cancer would have been a better president than the one we ended up with.

          How’s the genocide working out, I think Trump is about to give away Ukraine and Israel is about to take over Gaza City, no?

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