Rachel Campos-Duffy said Christians "are the most persecuted religion in the universe" during a discussion about the shooting at a hurch in Minneapolis.
The issue is that Mormons and other Christians seem to have differing views on who counts as a Christian. Most Christian sects use the Nicene Creed, which includes the basic set of beliefs all (or almost all, depending on your view ofc) Christian sects adhere to. Mormonism diverges from the Nicene Creed:
they don’t believe in one God (Mormons believe that humans have the capability to become Gods, and that God was mortal at one time and had His own God),
they don’t believe that God made the universe (they simply believe that He organized it),
and they don’t believe that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one substance (they believe that They are three distinct beings).
Mormonism, on the other hand, seems to believe that Christianity is simply accepting Jesus as a prophet sent by God and the Bible as holy scripture…but by that logic Muslims would also be considered Christians.
And I’m sure Mormons and other xtians that are not necessarily Nicean xtians might just say to those objecting that they are not “true” xtians: “well, that’s like your opinion, man…” Or words to that effect. 🤣
I could easily see them pointing out - and probably many have; I have not read Mormon apologetics, though - that the Nicean Council was extra-biblical and put to a vote in a political atmosphere. Meaning, while the Book of Mormon is certainly a retcon (at least in my view), it can easily be argued that so is the Nicene Creed.
It makes a lot of sense why the ability for people to read “the” bible in their own language was something frowned on and often actively stamped out - under threat of death, even. Once the people are able to read the supposed holy documents for themselves, they are going to naturally start having their own interpretation of things, as well as start writing more fanfic to extend the cinematic universe of the original text(s)…it also explains why the printing press was followed by an explosion of xtian forks (or heresies, depending on the viewer’s position).
Aside from knowing a lot of mormons in the 90s, i found this:
the person who shared it claims it’s from a book called Tribes published in 1992. That tells me it’s from The Lost Tribes (1992) by R. Clayton Brough, page 148
also:
Hrm, interesting. I happen to know many current and ex-LDS and I’ve never heard them say they are not xtians, and I’ve seen more than a few chafe at being called a “cult” and/or “not true xtians”, etc…I could see that above passage being read as lumping all other xtians into a group, but… 🤷
oh yeah they will and always have chafed at being called a cult. the whole “not true xtian thing”, that i saw them caring about around 2005 i think? there’s been lots of “Joey Smith is the new Mohammad” over the decades
I thought Mormons get their own planet, but other xtians don’t consider LDS “real” xtians, LOL, so there is that.
The issue is that Mormons and other Christians seem to have differing views on who counts as a Christian. Most Christian sects use the Nicene Creed, which includes the basic set of beliefs all (or almost all, depending on your view ofc) Christian sects adhere to. Mormonism diverges from the Nicene Creed:
Mormonism, on the other hand, seems to believe that Christianity is simply accepting Jesus as a prophet sent by God and the Bible as holy scripture…but by that logic Muslims would also be considered Christians.
And I’m sure Mormons and other xtians that are not necessarily Nicean xtians might just say to those objecting that they are not “true” xtians: “well, that’s like your opinion, man…” Or words to that effect. 🤣
I could easily see them pointing out - and probably many have; I have not read Mormon apologetics, though - that the Nicean Council was extra-biblical and put to a vote in a political atmosphere. Meaning, while the Book of Mormon is certainly a retcon (at least in my view), it can easily be argued that so is the Nicene Creed.
It makes a lot of sense why the ability for people to read “the” bible in their own language was something frowned on and often actively stamped out - under threat of death, even. Once the people are able to read the supposed holy documents for themselves, they are going to naturally start having their own interpretation of things, as well as start writing more fanfic to extend the cinematic universe of the original text(s)…it also explains why the printing press was followed by an explosion of xtian forks (or heresies, depending on the viewer’s position).
hell, in the 90s mormons didn’t consider themselves xtians. it’s a new thing.
They didn’t? You have a source? That’s news to me.
Aside from knowing a lot of mormons in the 90s, i found this:
the person who shared it claims it’s from a book called Tribes published in 1992. That tells me it’s from The Lost Tribes (1992) by R. Clayton Brough, page 148
also:
Hrm, interesting. I happen to know many current and ex-LDS and I’ve never heard them say they are not xtians, and I’ve seen more than a few chafe at being called a “cult” and/or “not true xtians”, etc…I could see that above passage being read as lumping all other xtians into a group, but… 🤷
oh yeah they will and always have chafed at being called a cult. the whole “not true xtian thing”, that i saw them caring about around 2005 i think? there’s been lots of “Joey Smith is the new Mohammad” over the decades