We were all really jazzed about that healthcare CEO getting killed, and then when they arrested Luigi my coworker was like, “He was quite privileged, you know,” like we aren’t allowed to like the guy anymore.
They see it as hypocrisy to change your mind like that. No growth allowed I guess. We need more privileged people to realize their mistakes and use their extra power to fix it. People on the inside also know more about how to fix things in my opinion.
I’m trying to be one of those people. I realized how immense my privilege actually is I when I started to hang around a crowd of alternative people. I feel like I fit in much better there than with those others “that made it in life” (whatever that means). But it’s sometimes really awkward to make twice what they do for less effort day to day.
I’m going into politics and try to influence where I can in my job and social circle since I fit in in places the true radicals can’t.
The world really is fucked up. I try not to ashamed of my privilege, but instead grateful that I have the ability to make a bigger impact for less costs on a group of people that really needs to get the message.
I don’t think that Luigi was trying to fix anything, and if he was, it was a piss-poor way of doing it. Killing one guy isn’t going to change the system. What he did was an act of vengeance on a system that had fucked him over.
What did he change his mind on? He thought that he was too good to get fucked over that way, and as far as I know, he still does.
ETA: Okay, I forgot that they published his manifesto. He did oppose the US healthcare system, although I still believe that his motivation came from personal circumstances.
Yes, this. Had someone get on me about this once and said it was hypocritical and conveniently selective. The reality though is that that behavior is antithetical to organizing. It imposes pointless rules that potentially push people away from the collective that we need. People don’t get a choice of the environment they are born into.
The reality though is that that behavior is antithetical to organize
That’s the point. It’s meant to be conversation stopping. If he were poor, it’s: he was envious of those who were successful.
If he’s rich: somehow they try to make it hypocritical
Because they don’t want the actual topic being discussed. That’s the point of the ad hominem, they attack the messenger so they don’t have to engage with the topic.
What kind of organizing are you talking about? I’m not interested in coordinating with people who are homicidal, thanks. It wasn’t hypocritical. It made perfect sense considering his circumstances.
When they’re putting you into one of the unmarked vans you can make yourself feel better by remembering how glad you are you never “coordinated with anyone homicidal.”
It’s not exactly your fault that your country is fucked, but it sure as hell is your fault it’s going to get worse.
You can support the “why” behind it but not the action. In this case it was people essentially writing him off entirely based solely on his position on the social ladder. Like because he comes from an affluent background means he suddenly can’t have the same qualms with the healthcare industry as working class folks.
Okay, I looked it up. I was wrong about him. We don’t have to assume. We know what his manifesto said, because it was published, and his struggle with the healthcare system was reported on in the news. Who knows what will come out in the trial, though.
People with lots of privilege tend to have a sense of entitlement, so when life royally fucks them over, they’re more likely to flip out and kill people.
Attributing what he did to a more noble motive isn’t surprising, but it also doesn’t seem to have helped much. I don’t see much talk about health insurance reform when Luigi comes up. It just seems to be a way for people to vent their anger and resentment.
We were all really jazzed about that healthcare CEO getting killed, and then when they arrested Luigi my coworker was like, “He was quite privileged, you know,” like we aren’t allowed to like the guy anymore.
Why would we like him less? Being privileged and throwing that away means he had more to lose and allegedly did it anyway.
Except for the part where he is innocent
He’s definitely innocent. Sorry, thought I had an “allegedly” in there. Gonna edit my comment to add one now, thanks for calling that out
They see it as hypocrisy to change your mind like that. No growth allowed I guess. We need more privileged people to realize their mistakes and use their extra power to fix it. People on the inside also know more about how to fix things in my opinion.
I’m trying to be one of those people. I realized how immense my privilege actually is I when I started to hang around a crowd of alternative people. I feel like I fit in much better there than with those others “that made it in life” (whatever that means). But it’s sometimes really awkward to make twice what they do for less effort day to day. I’m going into politics and try to influence where I can in my job and social circle since I fit in in places the true radicals can’t. The world really is fucked up. I try not to ashamed of my privilege, but instead grateful that I have the ability to make a bigger impact for less costs on a group of people that really needs to get the message.
Crabs in a bucket mentality is why utopia will never be achieved.
I don’t think that Luigi was trying to fix anything, and if he was, it was a piss-poor way of doing it. Killing one guy isn’t going to change the system. What he did was an act of vengeance on a system that had fucked him over.
What did he change his mind on? He thought that he was too good to get fucked over that way, and as far as I know, he still does.ETA: Okay, I forgot that they published his manifesto. He did oppose the US healthcare system, although I still believe that his motivation came from personal circumstances.
Yet here we are talking about him
Yes, we are. What’s your point?
I never said that he wasn’t noteworthy.
Yes, this. Had someone get on me about this once and said it was hypocritical and conveniently selective. The reality though is that that behavior is antithetical to organizing. It imposes pointless rules that potentially push people away from the collective that we need. People don’t get a choice of the environment they are born into.
That’s the point. It’s meant to be conversation stopping. If he were poor, it’s: he was envious of those who were successful.
If he’s rich: somehow they try to make it hypocritical
Because they don’t want the actual topic being discussed. That’s the point of the ad hominem, they attack the messenger so they don’t have to engage with the topic.
What kind of organizing are you talking about? I’m not interested in coordinating with people who are homicidal, thanks. It wasn’t hypocritical. It made perfect sense considering his circumstances.
When they’re putting you into one of the unmarked vans you can make yourself feel better by remembering how glad you are you never “coordinated with anyone homicidal.”
It’s not exactly your fault that your country is fucked, but it sure as hell is your fault it’s going to get worse.
You can support the “why” behind it but not the action. In this case it was people essentially writing him off entirely based solely on his position on the social ladder. Like because he comes from an affluent background means he suddenly can’t have the same qualms with the healthcare industry as working class folks.
Okay, why did he do it? And how do you know?
We can only assume it’s because the healthcare industry fucked him or his family over the same way it has done to a multitude of others.
Okay, I looked it up. I was wrong about him. We don’t have to assume. We know what his manifesto said, because it was published, and his struggle with the healthcare system was reported on in the news. Who knows what will come out in the trial, though.
Yeah, I admittedly hadn’t looked back at that in a while, so I couldn’t remember. Good sleuthing looking it up for both of us.
People with lots of privilege tend to have a sense of entitlement, so when life royally fucks them over, they’re more likely to flip out and kill people.
Attributing what he did to a more noble motive isn’t surprising, but it also doesn’t seem to have helped much. I don’t see much talk about health insurance reform when Luigi comes up. It just seems to be a way for people to vent their anger and resentment.