How do people keep finding that conclusion??? Did you miss the part where I said theyre all vaccinated? The argument is that governments have banned and mandated shit since the beginning of time with almost zero success. Its the Streisand effect, I think if im using that correctly. The surgeon general for every country of every modern generation has preached for people to quit smoking with little to no affect. What did work, tho? Making it so expensive and inconvenient to smoke that its a natural no brainer to quit. These arent people arguing that smoking is healthy, these were people aware of the risks, who were also all addicted to nicotine, who also, almost unanimously, decided to quit smoking in less than 5 years from the price of cigs going up and smoking in public restricted to designated areas.
The same thing happened with covid vaccines. I saw trumper after trumper proclaim they’ll never get a covid vaccine circa 2020ish. That same fuckin year they started making events require people to show their vaccine card in order to attend events of all sizes. You dont tell people they have to do something, you make it a requirement for them to participate in activities they normally would participate in. Swear to god for every Bills fan I knew preaching they’d never get a vaccine before the NFL required you to show proof of vaccine to attend games, by the time the season opener came around, every single person was vaccinated.
Also you seem touchy and kind of illogical about this period. “You don’t tell people they have to do something” then you prove that telling people that they had to do it 100% worked.
I cant help that you are omitting all the key points of the discussion I opened up.
First being the freedom to make the decision themselves. I, for example, am one of the few who took the cig price hike as a cost of my freedom to pursue happiness. So I still smoke. 15 years ago if I was out of smokes I could ask any number of people to bum a smoke and would always find someone with a smoke. Now if I run out, im out till I get to a store to buy more.
The second point you are omitting for convenience is the freedom of choice combined with the effectiveness it has when people make a decision on their own accord. How well did prohibition work? How well has mandating age verification for porn worked out? How well did keeping marijuana classified as a schedule 3 narcotic worked?
Giving people the ability to make their own decisions while stacking the deck against the undesired option creates a path of least resistance for people to willingly choose the desired option creating a naturally less combative response.
Think of it this way, the DNC thought they were making the best decision for their chances at the oval office by actively derailing Bernie Sanders’ nomination campaign amd forcing Hillary in the role. The results were a divided party of democratic voters and Trump’s initial presidency.
Ironically though, exactly what you’re saying is the right way to treat vaccines is how they have been treated. Lol
Want to send your kids to school? Vaccinate them. Or home school them, your choice. Kinda funny that you wrote all these paragraphs getting all worked up about this when at the end of it all, the precise thing you seem to want is already a reality. No one was ever forced to be vaccinated unless they made a choice that required it.
You’re working way too hard to defend your “friend’s” weird attitude on vaccines. Just either let it go or acknowledge that there is at least some contradiction of beliefs there.
So why am I only left with accepting the two options you are giving me when I’ve explained you can fully support and trust vaccines while also not supporting or trusting your government’s ability to always mandate or ban things that would create new precedence which are the duct tape holding this 250 year old governing framework still together.
Trump mandates vaccines in his 1st term of an alternate reality. Biden wins. Trump part deux takes office after Biden, appoints a random crackhead who hunts bears deep in the thickets of Bronx and Queens. Now this mother fucker has legislative precedence to pass medical mandates.
This country is built on our government getting their foot in the door under a veil of good intentions but always ends up evicting and squatting in whatever door they had their foot in. What’s the longest streak youve ever seen of any political party holding subsequent terms in office and congressional control to where you are comfortable saying you do not fear it getting all fucked up the first chance Republicans get at fucking it up.
Anyone who says they were aware of the power the patriot act was giving to our government is a bold face liar. That shit passed all the way unilaterally without so much as a peep (I think iirc I dont think it was an executive order but ill have to look it up).
Last example is to ask how many democratic politicians who applauded the ACA forgot to mention that they allowed clauses that would allow states to decide if they want to drop coverage for citizens whenever congress decides to reduce its Medicaid funding? Did they all assume it’d never happen? Am I supposed trust every proposed legislation at face value and trust that no proposed legislation will ever have hidden clauses? (that isnt meant to come accross as implying I disagree with ACA, im type 1 diabetic who relies on it but cant think of a way to word this so it sounds more supportive without this added context)
Edit: do you not see the Streisand effect in real time? Each argument either of us provide isnt getting the other person any closer to conceding and if anything is causing me to get more and more defensive of opinions i basically started by relaying from hearsay after being curious but have now gotten to the point where I sound like im full on defending my own personal stake in this discussion like their my own opinions.
That’s not what the Streisand effect is and I’m not trying to convince you of anything. You’re just bringing up shit that has no relationship whatsoever with this topic, not even if I choose to try and salvage the botched analogies you’re looking to make.
You sure as hell aren’t gonna convince me that a vague feeling of government bad somehow sensibly overrides a scientific understanding of how vaccines work. Put simply it’s obviously a lack of scientific understanding combined with selfishness. That’s all it ever could be, just like every other libertarian kind of worldview.
Would be best not to continue this exchange. I prefer not to block people.
Really, thats not what the Streisand effect means? So you cant make the leap from a definition specific to withholding information causing the opposite effects than what was originally intended to my use of the Streisand effect as a psychological reactance metaphor for how people respond to finding out they are having options withheld from them in place of information? Shit I admit I called out your shitty reading comprehension as a response to you calling me deranged before I even saw this comment. But fuck me this comment im replying to really puts your reading comprehension bug front and center and calls it a feature🤣
I mean for fucks sake you are still held on to my opinion being that im anti vax. So I guess you won. Ill throw in the towel cuz I cant put any more effort into explaining something to a person who admittedly isnt willing to put any effort into understanding what is even being discussed and refuses to engage in any way that isnt an insult followed by an admittance of not putting any effort into reading anything their provided with.
Almost nothing you wrote is of any relevance. It does seem written derangedly honestly. Your first and second points are identical as just one example.
How do people keep finding that conclusion??? Did you miss the part where I said theyre all vaccinated? The argument is that governments have banned and mandated shit since the beginning of time with almost zero success. Its the Streisand effect, I think if im using that correctly. The surgeon general for every country of every modern generation has preached for people to quit smoking with little to no affect. What did work, tho? Making it so expensive and inconvenient to smoke that its a natural no brainer to quit. These arent people arguing that smoking is healthy, these were people aware of the risks, who were also all addicted to nicotine, who also, almost unanimously, decided to quit smoking in less than 5 years from the price of cigs going up and smoking in public restricted to designated areas.
The same thing happened with covid vaccines. I saw trumper after trumper proclaim they’ll never get a covid vaccine circa 2020ish. That same fuckin year they started making events require people to show their vaccine card in order to attend events of all sizes. You dont tell people they have to do something, you make it a requirement for them to participate in activities they normally would participate in. Swear to god for every Bills fan I knew preaching they’d never get a vaccine before the NFL required you to show proof of vaccine to attend games, by the time the season opener came around, every single person was vaccinated.
I just said it’s weird and it certainly is.
Also you seem touchy and kind of illogical about this period. “You don’t tell people they have to do something” then you prove that telling people that they had to do it 100% worked.
I cant help that you are omitting all the key points of the discussion I opened up.
First being the freedom to make the decision themselves. I, for example, am one of the few who took the cig price hike as a cost of my freedom to pursue happiness. So I still smoke. 15 years ago if I was out of smokes I could ask any number of people to bum a smoke and would always find someone with a smoke. Now if I run out, im out till I get to a store to buy more.
The second point you are omitting for convenience is the freedom of choice combined with the effectiveness it has when people make a decision on their own accord. How well did prohibition work? How well has mandating age verification for porn worked out? How well did keeping marijuana classified as a schedule 3 narcotic worked?
Giving people the ability to make their own decisions while stacking the deck against the undesired option creates a path of least resistance for people to willingly choose the desired option creating a naturally less combative response.
Think of it this way, the DNC thought they were making the best decision for their chances at the oval office by actively derailing Bernie Sanders’ nomination campaign amd forcing Hillary in the role. The results were a divided party of democratic voters and Trump’s initial presidency.
Ironically though, exactly what you’re saying is the right way to treat vaccines is how they have been treated. Lol
Want to send your kids to school? Vaccinate them. Or home school them, your choice. Kinda funny that you wrote all these paragraphs getting all worked up about this when at the end of it all, the precise thing you seem to want is already a reality. No one was ever forced to be vaccinated unless they made a choice that required it.
You’re working way too hard to defend your “friend’s” weird attitude on vaccines. Just either let it go or acknowledge that there is at least some contradiction of beliefs there.
So why am I only left with accepting the two options you are giving me when I’ve explained you can fully support and trust vaccines while also not supporting or trusting your government’s ability to always mandate or ban things that would create new precedence which are the duct tape holding this 250 year old governing framework still together.
Trump mandates vaccines in his 1st term of an alternate reality. Biden wins. Trump part deux takes office after Biden, appoints a random crackhead who hunts bears deep in the thickets of Bronx and Queens. Now this mother fucker has legislative precedence to pass medical mandates.
This country is built on our government getting their foot in the door under a veil of good intentions but always ends up evicting and squatting in whatever door they had their foot in. What’s the longest streak youve ever seen of any political party holding subsequent terms in office and congressional control to where you are comfortable saying you do not fear it getting all fucked up the first chance Republicans get at fucking it up.
Anyone who says they were aware of the power the patriot act was giving to our government is a bold face liar. That shit passed all the way unilaterally without so much as a peep (I think iirc I dont think it was an executive order but ill have to look it up).
Last example is to ask how many democratic politicians who applauded the ACA forgot to mention that they allowed clauses that would allow states to decide if they want to drop coverage for citizens whenever congress decides to reduce its Medicaid funding? Did they all assume it’d never happen? Am I supposed trust every proposed legislation at face value and trust that no proposed legislation will ever have hidden clauses? (that isnt meant to come accross as implying I disagree with ACA, im type 1 diabetic who relies on it but cant think of a way to word this so it sounds more supportive without this added context)
Edit: do you not see the Streisand effect in real time? Each argument either of us provide isnt getting the other person any closer to conceding and if anything is causing me to get more and more defensive of opinions i basically started by relaying from hearsay after being curious but have now gotten to the point where I sound like im full on defending my own personal stake in this discussion like their my own opinions.
That’s not what the Streisand effect is and I’m not trying to convince you of anything. You’re just bringing up shit that has no relationship whatsoever with this topic, not even if I choose to try and salvage the botched analogies you’re looking to make.
You sure as hell aren’t gonna convince me that a vague feeling of government bad somehow sensibly overrides a scientific understanding of how vaccines work. Put simply it’s obviously a lack of scientific understanding combined with selfishness. That’s all it ever could be, just like every other libertarian kind of worldview.
Would be best not to continue this exchange. I prefer not to block people.
Really, thats not what the Streisand effect means? So you cant make the leap from a definition specific to withholding information causing the opposite effects than what was originally intended to my use of the Streisand effect as a psychological reactance metaphor for how people respond to finding out they are having options withheld from them in place of information? Shit I admit I called out your shitty reading comprehension as a response to you calling me deranged before I even saw this comment. But fuck me this comment im replying to really puts your reading comprehension bug front and center and calls it a feature🤣
I mean for fucks sake you are still held on to my opinion being that im anti vax. So I guess you won. Ill throw in the towel cuz I cant put any more effort into explaining something to a person who admittedly isnt willing to put any effort into understanding what is even being discussed and refuses to engage in any way that isnt an insult followed by an admittance of not putting any effort into reading anything their provided with.
Not reading this drivel either. I’m guessing you get blocked here a lot.
Almost nothing you wrote is of any relevance. It does seem written derangedly honestly. Your first and second points are identical as just one example.
Ive also.never looked at a comment’s username so I didnt know every reply was yours. Again, my b.