At what point do you agree things are worse now than before? Is it when Trump successfully overturns the 14th amendment and starts throwing out non-whites all over the nation? (He has literally already signed the executive order).
That’s not quite the point. Minorities are extremely aware that things are worse under Trump.
The point is liberals pretending that things were just fucking awesome before, as if all the systemic issues that are now exacerbated haven’t been there before at all.
That might be your point but the consequence of denying that progress has happened helps our enemies and radicalizes individuals, which is exactly the point of several accelerationist users in this thread.
Yeah, it’s unfortunate that people can’t just grasp the simple degree of nuance like:
Things were always bad but now they are even worse.
It’s like as soon as you say that things were always bad. People’s brains are like “Bad is bad so it was bad then and it’s bad now so it’s the same”
I do agree with the idea of this meme itself though. This meme isn’t really saying that things aren’t worse, it’s just saying that some demographics were ignorant of the country’s failings for others, and now they’re not because the country is failing everyone. It’s throwing a bit of an insult from the angle of “You don’t really care or notice if things are bad until they happen to you”, which is fair, but most importantly does not deny that things are worse.
This country was founded on the murder of natives and the exploitation of slaves/immigrants: that foundation has reverberated throughout our entire history. Government/corporate policy, often racist and sexist, works to maintain a permanent under class of exploited workers that provide cheap labor for the ruling class (e.g., sharecropping, Jim Crow, redlining, denial of reproductive rights, corporate offshoring, ever-increasing cost of living, etc.).
Not to mention the devastation that America has inflicted on the developing world. Obvious examples include millions of civilian casualties during our wars in Asia and the Middle East, foreign resource extraction that provides us with cheap consumer good (e.g., banana republics in South America, slave mines for metals in the Congo, etc.), and CIA operations that have been openly declassified (e.g., overthrowing presidents, installing dictators, disseminating propaganda) because this country can’t even pretend to live up to its professed ideals. Any serious study of American history suggests this country has never been “great” in anything beside our wasteful military expenditure and our inexhaustible favoritism of the wealthy. Trump is revealing how sick this country has always been and anyone who wants to go back to “normal” doesn’t understand what brought us here.
The shittiest part is that arguably, the US deserves this for all of the terrible things we’ve done. On the other hand, the people that will suffer the worst are the most vulnerable populations.
And of course, I don’t want to be subjected to this either, but… yeah.
What a non-response. Pick whichever year you like, America has never lived up to its professed ideals. For example, in school we learn that the U.S. is a melting pot: “Give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses!!”
Except, immigrants who would now be considered White faced significant racial discrimination in the 1800s, Chinese immigrants faced racism/horrible working conditions, Obama deported more than Trump did in his first term, and now Trump is kidnapping immigrants off of the street. This country is rotten to its core.
TBH I didn’t really see any relevant points in your first reply worth arguing. You’re just saying children now need to suffer and die because of something people in the late 15th to 18th centuries decided to do, that nothing ever changes, ever has or ever will.
We shouldn’t continue to treat people like shit because our ancestors treated their ancestors like shit.
“Blacks where enslaved and even after being released we’re never allowed to build equity and generational wealth in America and when they tried we killed them for it, but we passed the civil right s act so they really need to learn to integrate and stop doing crime and ghettos” is the dumb take we fight against today.
But DEI is just targeted class correction which is why it triggers the racists, but what needs to happen is that class equalization needs to happen across racial, ethnic, regional, generational boundaries.
No one (well, extremely few) does crime if they can make a good living. Stop taking away opportunities and driving people into their survival instinct.
You’re going to sit there and say the Civil Rights Acts were ineffective and pointless? It sounds to me like the biggest advocate against racial equality here is you.
I think their argument was not that the Civil Rights Act and similar legislation have done nothing, but that they haven’t done enough yet, and that people who like to pretend that “because we have passed certain of these laws, the work is done and everything is equal now, our best option is to pretend racism is all gone and just let every compete fairly in the all-better world” are either dreaming or lying.
It didn’t feel like they were praising the progress we’ve achieved so far and advocating for further progress in the same vein. It feels like they’re siding with Balderdash that the one and only solution is violently destroying the system as it currently exists, which to me feels like it would create more bad outcomes and destroy the balance between western democracies and eastern autocracies.
On the contrary, as the contradictions become more apparent we will be forced to decide between fascism or radical systemic change. Just as the status quo of feudal surfs came to an end, so too must this current system.
Cynical and bitter mutualist & consequentialist. I hate accelerationists and their apologists as much as I hate fascists. I don’t have access to this account during weekends.
Your profile description is shockingly accurate. Like holy shit that gave me a laugh. Thanks for that hon.
Good luck with that. In the meantime we’ll be working towards the only successful mode of change ever practiced in the USA, and the most consistently successful method ever practiced in our species history: democratic election of representatives who promote the reforms we need to help people and save lives.
They are worse; the point of the meme is that the difference is one of degree and target, not kind. Trump’s America is just a worse, somewhat more brazen version of the normal America everyone seems to want to go back to.
starts throwing out non-whites all over the nation?
Remember liberals bragging about Biden deporting more people than Trump?
Yeah I do remember, because the criminal only ICE focus was not only effective but also spared countless women and children from living many months in cages as was the case during the previous and current Trump admins.
It was effective at kicking non-whites out of the country. You know, exactly the thing Trump is doing.
Between 2009 and 2016, the Barack Obama administration oversaw the deporting of a record 2.4 million undocumented immigrants who had entered the United States, earning him the nickname “Deporter-In-Chief” by Janet Murguía, the president of National Council of La Raza.[16][17] According to ICE data, about 40% of those deported by ICE in 2015 had no criminal conviction, while a majority of those convicted were guilty of minor charges.
Oh I’m sorry you’re right, Obama was just as bad as Trump, all those innocent women and children sleeping in animal pens for months or even years was completely normal and acceptable. /s
Are you even aware of the context of the 14th amendment? Do you know when and why it was put in place? Look it up, then you’ll start to see what they’re planning.
They are perfectly fine with oppression so long as the oppression is to the benefit of the capitalist status quo. Never forget that neoliberals are still right wing.
He doesn’t have to officially overturn anything. He just directs people to do his bidding, and they do it. The Constitution is less than worthless at this point.
At what point do you agree things are worse now than before? Is it when Trump successfully overturns the 14th amendment and starts throwing out non-whites all over the nation? (He has literally already signed the executive order).
That’s not quite the point. Minorities are extremely aware that things are worse under Trump.
The point is liberals pretending that things were just fucking awesome before, as if all the systemic issues that are now exacerbated haven’t been there before at all.
I didn’t ever think things were fucking awesome, but at least it felt we were on a good path a few times.
That might be your point but the consequence of denying that progress has happened helps our enemies and radicalizes individuals, which is exactly the point of several accelerationist users in this thread.
Honestly it’s only in lefty circles I see people insist that it’s not worse than before.
And yeah, it’s not the worst it’s ever been. But it is the worst in my lifetime. (mixed race btw)
Yeah, it’s unfortunate that people can’t just grasp the simple degree of nuance like:
Things were always bad but now they are even worse.
It’s like as soon as you say that things were always bad. People’s brains are like “Bad is bad so it was bad then and it’s bad now so it’s the same”
I do agree with the idea of this meme itself though. This meme isn’t really saying that things aren’t worse, it’s just saying that some demographics were ignorant of the country’s failings for others, and now they’re not because the country is failing everyone. It’s throwing a bit of an insult from the angle of “You don’t really care or notice if things are bad until they happen to you”, which is fair, but most importantly does not deny that things are worse.
This country was founded on the murder of natives and the exploitation of slaves/immigrants: that foundation has reverberated throughout our entire history. Government/corporate policy, often racist and sexist, works to maintain a permanent under class of exploited workers that provide cheap labor for the ruling class (e.g., sharecropping, Jim Crow, redlining, denial of reproductive rights, corporate offshoring, ever-increasing cost of living, etc.).
Not to mention the devastation that America has inflicted on the developing world. Obvious examples include millions of civilian casualties during our wars in Asia and the Middle East, foreign resource extraction that provides us with cheap consumer good (e.g., banana republics in South America, slave mines for metals in the Congo, etc.), and CIA operations that have been openly declassified (e.g., overthrowing presidents, installing dictators, disseminating propaganda) because this country can’t even pretend to live up to its professed ideals. Any serious study of American history suggests this country has never been “great” in anything beside our wasteful military expenditure and our inexhaustible favoritism of the wealthy. Trump is revealing how sick this country has always been and anyone who wants to go back to “normal” doesn’t understand what brought us here.
The shittiest part is that arguably, the US deserves this for all of the terrible things we’ve done. On the other hand, the people that will suffer the worst are the most vulnerable populations.
And of course, I don’t want to be subjected to this either, but… yeah.
Pretty sure people who want things to go back to normal aren’t asking for share cropping to come back.
Wow so I guess things really were bad in the Obama admin with all the Native American eradication campaigns.
Definitely nothing happened between 1621 and 2008.
/s
What a non-response. Pick whichever year you like, America has never lived up to its professed ideals. For example, in school we learn that the U.S. is a melting pot: “Give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses!!”
Except, immigrants who would now be considered White faced significant racial discrimination in the 1800s, Chinese immigrants faced racism/horrible working conditions, Obama deported more than Trump did in his first term, and now Trump is kidnapping immigrants off of the street. This country is rotten to its core.
TBH I didn’t really see any relevant points in your first reply worth arguing. You’re just saying children now need to suffer and die because of something people in the late 15th to 18th centuries decided to do, that nothing ever changes, ever has or ever will.
We shouldn’t continue to treat people like shit because our ancestors treated their ancestors like shit.
“Blacks where enslaved and even after being released we’re never allowed to build equity and generational wealth in America and when they tried we killed them for it, but we passed the civil right s act so they really need to learn to integrate and stop doing crime and ghettos” is the dumb take we fight against today.
But DEI is just targeted class correction which is why it triggers the racists, but what needs to happen is that class equalization needs to happen across racial, ethnic, regional, generational boundaries.
No one (well, extremely few) does crime if they can make a good living. Stop taking away opportunities and driving people into their survival instinct.
You’re going to sit there and say the Civil Rights Acts were ineffective and pointless? It sounds to me like the biggest advocate against racial equality here is you.
I think their argument was not that the Civil Rights Act and similar legislation have done nothing, but that they haven’t done enough yet, and that people who like to pretend that “because we have passed certain of these laws, the work is done and everything is equal now, our best option is to pretend racism is all gone and just let every compete fairly in the all-better world” are either dreaming or lying.
It didn’t feel like they were praising the progress we’ve achieved so far and advocating for further progress in the same vein. It feels like they’re siding with Balderdash that the one and only solution is violently destroying the system as it currently exists, which to me feels like it would create more bad outcomes and destroy the balance between western democracies and eastern autocracies.
On the contrary, as the contradictions become more apparent we will be forced to decide between fascism or radical systemic change. Just as the status quo of feudal surfs came to an end, so too must this current system.
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Your profile description is shockingly accurate. Like holy shit that gave me a laugh. Thanks for that hon.
Good luck with that. In the meantime we’ll be working towards the only successful mode of change ever practiced in the USA, and the most consistently successful method ever practiced in our species history: democratic election of representatives who promote the reforms we need to help people and save lives.
They are worse; the point of the meme is that the difference is one of degree and target, not kind. Trump’s America is just a worse, somewhat more brazen version of the normal America everyone seems to want to go back to.
Remember liberals bragging about Biden deporting more people than Trump?
Yeah I do remember, because the criminal only ICE focus was not only effective but also spared countless women and children from living many months in cages as was the case during the previous and current Trump admins.
It was effective at kicking non-whites out of the country. You know, exactly the thing Trump is doing.
Oh I’m sorry you’re right, Obama was just as bad as Trump, all those innocent women and children sleeping in animal pens for months or even years was completely normal and acceptable. /s
Are you even aware of the context of the 14th amendment? Do you know when and why it was put in place? Look it up, then you’ll start to see what they’re planning.
Thanks for reminding me why I hate blue MAGA.
They are perfectly fine with oppression so long as the oppression is to the benefit of the capitalist status quo. Never forget that neoliberals are still right wing.
It’s not like they’ll ever let you forget if you look at their actual positions.
He doesn’t have to officially overturn anything. He just directs people to do his bidding, and they do it. The Constitution is less than worthless at this point.