Oh thank God, I’m sure the three remaining Palestinians will be so relieved.
Meanwhile, not letting an Irish punk bad tour Canada because they support Free Palestine
Israeli National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir announced that he will raise annexing the West Bank at the next cabinet meeting in response to the the recognitions.
“The recognition by the UK, Canada, and Australia of a ‘Palestinian’ state, as a prize for the murderous Nukhba terrorists, requires immediate countermeasures,” said Ben-Gvir.
I don’t even know how to comment this.
Israel’s terrorism needs to be stopped, along with its genocide.
They are trying to make opposition feel hopeless, but the truth is their continued aggression is totally reliant on foreign support.
An exasperated sigh as reality plays out exactly like expected
I don’t understand the UK weren’t they doing censorship against Palestine?
They’re probably doing it because they know that Israel will never agree to a 2-state solution. The UK Labor Party can tell their former constituents that actually they aren’t pro-genocide and please support us again pretty please, all without doing anything that would significantly disrupt Israel.
It’s a way of appearing to be on the right side of history, while also knowing that they’ll never have to put their money where their mouth is.
Yeah its…its strange
Would be good to see any following of that though.
Because as of now - Palestinian state is basically a virtual entity, and unless Israel will be forced to retreat and international peacekeeping contingent will have its boots on the ground in Gaza - it’s all just empty talk while people are getting murdered.
Better late than never, Keir. Good on the current UK government for not riding out the September deadline to the very end, though. I’ll take the silver linings where I can find them these days. The joint statement is good too, lends more weight.
Not so good on equating criticizing Israel with terrorism. Or supporting disallowing protesters from being able to testify as to their motivations for breaking a law. Or for charging people with decades in prison for climate and environmental actions good and starmer cannot be used in the same sentence honestly. He’s a cynical piece of shit.
From the river to the sea there will be democracy, human rights, and equal political rights for people of all ethnicities and confessions.
I get why you hate Israel’s government, but a lot of pro-Palestinian people are just choosing to ignore who Palestinians really are.
Palestinians aren’t exactly democratic, don’t care much about human rights, and don’t respect other ethnicities or religions.
On the one hand you put the Israeli government. On the other hand you put Palestinians, like …the entire people.
And then you go running your mouth about what Palestinians “really are”, what they care about, what they respect or not. Palestinians. Like the entire people.
That’s fucking hate speech.
Why is this hate speech? Just because we disagree?
Like I told another user in this thread, the fact that there are extremists and radicals in both Israel’s government and society is undeniable. But you can’t ignore how a significant part of Palestinian society has supported Hamas and pursued conflict against Israel.
Politics is complicated, and if we want a better world, we should look at both sides, not just “cheer for our team”.
I don’t want governments promoting Jewish radicalism, but neither Islamic radicalism.
You’re not “just disagreeing.” You’re collapsing millions of Palestinians into a caricature and then acting like that’s analysis. That’s prejudice, plain and simple.
You bring up Hamas as if it reveals the Palestinian soul. History cuts both ways: in the 1940s, Zionist militias like Irgun and Lehi planted bombs in markets, assassinated diplomats, and massacred civilians. They had widespread support among Jewish settlers who believed violence was the only path. By your logic, that would make Jews “really” terrorists. It’s absurd. Armed groups rise and fall under conditions of occupation and war; they don’t define whole peoples.
As for human rights and respect for diversity: there are Palestinian lawyers, feminists, queer activists, union organizers, and journalists who fight for those values every single day, often against impossible odds. Pretending they don’t exist is convenient for your narrative, but it’s false.
And that swipe about “cheering for our team”? That’s bad faith. Pointing out racism isn’t “picking a side.” It’s refusing to normalize slander. You can critique governments all day long, but the moment you essentialize millions of human beings into what they “really are,” you’ve crossed into hate speech.
Can you not see how hideously racist your comment is?
Palestinians aren’t exactly democratic, don’t care much about human rights, and don’t respect other ethnicities or religions.
You’re just going to leave that there?
Racist? I’d love to hear why you think that’s racist. To me, racism means discriminating against someone because of their race, and that’s not what I’m doing.
I’m just pointing out a reality: how much support Hamas has among Gaza’s population. Of course, not everyone supports them. The real victims here are the people who never supported Hamas, never wanted this war and are trapped in a deadly situation they didn’t create.
But you can’t ignore all those pro-Hamas demonstrations after their attacks on Israel over the years. That has nothing to do with race or ethnicity.
“Palestinians don’t respect other ethnicities or religions” is an example of racism, because it is of the form:
[Ethnic group/race] [has or displays negative personality trait], without any concessions as to individual choice or action (though you tried to add this in your last comment) and without any evidence.
Therefore you are saying that people who are simply born Palestinian are somehow less likely than people born elsewhere to display compassion towards other ethnic groups or religions. Since compassion in general is a common human trait, and almost universally held as a positive one, you are dehumanising Palestinians as a whole in this statement, which is clearly also to say, discriminating against them.
It is the most naked type of racism, down there with ideas like, “the blacks are more violent”, " savage tribals" and the like.
I’m trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here and I don’t think I can explain this any more clearly: a statement of the form [Ethnic group/race] is [personality trait] is explicitly racist, and that’s the type of statement you have made here.(It’s worth pointing out that the word “all” is correctly inferred unless you specify a subset. So where you’ve written “Palestinians”, because of the nature of the English language, that means “all Palestinians” by default.)
Look, in all honesty… both Palestinians and Israeli have failed at democracy: one side put Hamas into power (well, in Gaza) and the other side gave power to Netanyahu…
I couldn’t say which is worse between the two governments, nor I think debating it will get us anywhere; what I can say (with absolute certainty and no fear of being disproved) is that neither one reach the minimum level of decency human beings should expect from any government.
Let’s stop debating who is more wrong between Israel and Hamas: they are both unimaginably wrong.
They didn’t say “Hamas” , they said “Palestinians”, i.e. the ethnic group.
Just for exposition, let’s flip it round and see how disgusting it is:I get why you hate Hamas, but a lot of pro-Jewish people are just choosing to ignore who Jews really are.
Jews aren’t exactly democratic, don’t care much about human rights, and don’t respect other ethnicities or religions.
Personally, I do blame both the Palestinian and Israeli people (not only their governments) for what is happening now, and for what has been happening for decades beforehand (of course this doesn’t mean that each and every Palestinian person is to blame, and the same is true on the Israeli side).
I even dare saying that I think neither people deserve to self-govern, since they have shown to be unable to do it responsibly.
The amount of arrogance dripping off of this comment omg.
arrogance: an attitude of superiority manifested in an overbearing manner or in presumptuous claims or assumptions
Can you elaborate?
You’re assuming you get to say who deserves self governance.
That’s a presumptuous claim manifesting an attitude of superiority in quite an overbearing manner.
I couldn’t say which is worse between the two governments
Hamas. Hamas is worse, but then again it’s barely a government. Which is one of the many reasons why palestine is not a country.
I don’t really see the point in ranking who is worse (I mean… what do you/mankind get once such a ranking is established?), but for the sake of argument: what criterion are you going by?
what do you/mankind get once such a ranking is established
From principles potentially comes a clarity of opinion.
what criterion are you going by?
There are plenty of ways in which Israel is bad and if you look at any of those, Hamas is worse. But the overall bottom line difference is visible when we look at what would be the ideal end game for both of these entities: Israel wants to live in peace. Hamas (and many others in that area) wants to destroy Israel, and the liberal west in general too.
That they are unable to do so doesn’t remove the fact that they would very much want to. Global Jihad is not a conspiracy theory.
Israel wants to live in peace? What the actual fuck are you talking about. It is an apartheid regime committing genocide.
Worthless thanks for nothing you hacks. We need all new leadership clearly. Hacks being polits doing a symbolic gesture 2 years into a genocide.
Wow, a bit shocking to see UK on a list when it comes to making the right moral choice.
It might be the right moral decision but was it done for the right reason? The conspiracy theorist in me thinks that the timing of this straight after the Donald Trump state visit to the UK cannot be coincidental, Trump must have Okayed this and there must be a bigger plan. Maybe. Ha.
It’s been Labour policy for over a decade that Palestine should be recognised, but that was in conflict with a governmental position that only states that ‘exist’ in some stable sense could be recognised. The balance tipped, I guess, and now the former outweighs the latter. Don’t think it’s quite as suss as made out.
I honestly don’t care about the motivations right now if it does literally anything to help. If the reasoning was shitty then let’s deal with that later
As a traitor to the US, I accept Palestine as a nation.
