If you’re one of those generals, you have an oath to the Constitution so you protect the Constitution with the same dedication as if you were on a battlefield. Soldiers don’t change team midway. Even amateur athletes don’t do that.
Not that kind of politics, though. Any General has had to navigate an elaborate military political labyrinth of rules, regulations, and the erratic and unpredictable vagaries of higher command. That’s far different from dealing with the politics of elections, votes, campaign financing, public opinions, etc., that an elected politician has to deal with.
Generals are people who have fully bought into the concept of protecting America from its enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC. They also have a military education equivalent to a doctorate in any other career. They are fully aware of what their rights and responsibilities are, should they be involuntarily confined to a room, and ordered to dismiss their original oath to their COUNTRY, and take a new on to the Führer.
They will recognize this for what it is, and it will be a watershed moment for this administration. What if all the Generals simply refuse? What will Trump and Hegseth do? Fire them all? Imprison them? Remove them from positions of responsibility? Who will replace them? What if the next several levels of command also refuse? Who will operate the military?
Whatever MAGA does to respond to a Rebellion of Generals will weaken America in the eyes of our enemies.
I don’t put ALL my hopes into anything. I honestly feel like America is going to crash, and have an apocalyptic Depression that will make the Great Depression look like the post-war boom.
I have a degree in history, and I could rattle off numerous societies that were doing well, right up until the moment they fully collapsed, and were buried over by the next civilization. We aren’t special, we’ve only been around for 250 years. The Romans lasted hundreds, the Egyptians lasted centuries. The Greeks were living an amazing modern life, until they became ancient history. Then there were the Sumerians, the Phoenicians, and many many more. I guarantee that ALL of them felt that their culture would last forever. Today, nobody even speaks their languages.
For the past 50 years, I’ve watched us barrel down this freeway to destruction, watching every off ramp go by. Here’s another one, a big one, an off ramp that could really take us in a different direction, and I’m just pointing it out.
Hopefully, the Generals see this off ramp for the unique opportunity that it is. Generals aren’t like politicians. Generals tend to be brave, while nobody is more cowardly than a politician. Generals will accept a dangerous assignment, while a politician will avoid it at any cost. So perhaps the Generals will do what the politicians won’t - their jobs, and defend America from certain destruction.
But I’m not holding my breath, either. I am planning and stockpiling for a future apocalypse, and I think the chances of that are about 70%.
If it ever came down to it, I would seriously float that to a judge.
“Yes, your honor, I took that abominable pledge, because I wanted to stay in my position, and fight from within, so I crossed my fingers, and I MEANT IT! I never renounced my original pledge, and I never properly took the new one.”
This is actually a tactic listed in the official CIA “Simple Sabotage” handbook. Basically, if you can’t overtly sabotage things by blowing them up while maintaining your cover, work to sabotage things from inside instead.
Get a job in middle management, and do everything in your power to live up to the term “middle manglement”. Do your job as poorly as possible while still maintaining plausible deniability. Make it difficult for people around you to do their jobs. Give other managers bad info. Sow division via gossip. Divert employees towards busy work so they can’t focus on important tasks. Waste budgets. Ensure deadlines get missed, while demanding unreasonable deadlines for other teams. Et cetera…
And I can guarantee that generals will be well aware of this fact. Plenty of them got into their spots by being war dogs, but they won’t be stupid.
Years ago, I read an article by a Democrat who got a job working for a local Republican campaign office, just so he could be incompetent at it.
While he was sabotaging things, he caught the flu. He came to work anyway, and smeared his flu-ridden saliva on doorknobs, computer keyboards and mouses, etc. Within a week, most of the office was sick, in the middle of a big campaign.
In every company I’ve worked for that had middle managers, they spent 80% of their time trying to justify their position with self-assigned busy work to try to look useful for the company.
Faking it also give them power. If all the generals go in an give an oath to the furher, they don’t all have to mean it for it to have far reaching effects.
But if you’re not going to take the oath, I feel like you have to have a real plan for resistance beyond just get escorted… out.
It doesn’t help that our government was founded with a core principle of the military being subservient to a civilian command.
These are smart people entrusted with the most powerful military in history. If anyone can find a strategy to prevent the Fourth Reich, it’s them.
Last year I heard a talk by retired Admiral Stravidis, who among other things was supreme commander of NATO for a few years. He pointed out that by the time somebody makes the rank of General or Admiral they will have sworn that oath a bunch of times. They renew that oath each time they are promoted etc. They also would have administered that oath to countless other soldiers & sailors over the years.
Fire all the generals and admirals, and guess what? They are replaced by junior officers who have repeated the oath to the US Constitution almost as many times. There’s always the chance that some may decide to bend the knee to Trump, but there are significantly more that likely won’t.
So if you’re one of those generals, do you recite the new oath or do you allow them to purge everyone loyal to the Constitution?
If you’re one of those generals, you have an oath to the Constitution so you protect the Constitution with the same dedication as if you were on a battlefield. Soldiers don’t change team midway. Even amateur athletes don’t do that.
If you rise to the rank of general, you’re more politician than soldier though, and politicians change teams all the time
Not that kind of politics, though. Any General has had to navigate an elaborate military political labyrinth of rules, regulations, and the erratic and unpredictable vagaries of higher command. That’s far different from dealing with the politics of elections, votes, campaign financing, public opinions, etc., that an elected politician has to deal with.
Generals are people who have fully bought into the concept of protecting America from its enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC. They also have a military education equivalent to a doctorate in any other career. They are fully aware of what their rights and responsibilities are, should they be involuntarily confined to a room, and ordered to dismiss their original oath to their COUNTRY, and take a new on to the Führer.
They will recognize this for what it is, and it will be a watershed moment for this administration. What if all the Generals simply refuse? What will Trump and Hegseth do? Fire them all? Imprison them? Remove them from positions of responsibility? Who will replace them? What if the next several levels of command also refuse? Who will operate the military?
Whatever MAGA does to respond to a Rebellion of Generals will weaken America in the eyes of our enemies.
You put all your hope into the generals recognizing MAGA as the domestic enemy. It could easily go the other way.
I don’t put ALL my hopes into anything. I honestly feel like America is going to crash, and have an apocalyptic Depression that will make the Great Depression look like the post-war boom.
I have a degree in history, and I could rattle off numerous societies that were doing well, right up until the moment they fully collapsed, and were buried over by the next civilization. We aren’t special, we’ve only been around for 250 years. The Romans lasted hundreds, the Egyptians lasted centuries. The Greeks were living an amazing modern life, until they became ancient history. Then there were the Sumerians, the Phoenicians, and many many more. I guarantee that ALL of them felt that their culture would last forever. Today, nobody even speaks their languages.
For the past 50 years, I’ve watched us barrel down this freeway to destruction, watching every off ramp go by. Here’s another one, a big one, an off ramp that could really take us in a different direction, and I’m just pointing it out.
Hopefully, the Generals see this off ramp for the unique opportunity that it is. Generals aren’t like politicians. Generals tend to be brave, while nobody is more cowardly than a politician. Generals will accept a dangerous assignment, while a politician will avoid it at any cost. So perhaps the Generals will do what the politicians won’t - their jobs, and defend America from certain destruction.
But I’m not holding my breath, either. I am planning and stockpiling for a future apocalypse, and I think the chances of that are about 70%.
Itd be nice if they faked the bad oath to secretly protect the constitution.
They cross their fingers while saying it and it’s legally non-binding
If it ever came down to it, I would seriously float that to a judge.
“Yes, your honor, I took that abominable pledge, because I wanted to stay in my position, and fight from within, so I crossed my fingers, and I MEANT IT! I never renounced my original pledge, and I never properly took the new one.”
This is actually a tactic listed in the official CIA “Simple Sabotage” handbook. Basically, if you can’t overtly sabotage things by blowing them up while maintaining your cover, work to sabotage things from inside instead.
Get a job in middle management, and do everything in your power to live up to the term “middle manglement”. Do your job as poorly as possible while still maintaining plausible deniability. Make it difficult for people around you to do their jobs. Give other managers bad info. Sow division via gossip. Divert employees towards busy work so they can’t focus on important tasks. Waste budgets. Ensure deadlines get missed, while demanding unreasonable deadlines for other teams. Et cetera…
And I can guarantee that generals will be well aware of this fact. Plenty of them got into their spots by being war dogs, but they won’t be stupid.
Years ago, I read an article by a Democrat who got a job working for a local Republican campaign office, just so he could be incompetent at it.
While he was sabotaging things, he caught the flu. He came to work anyway, and smeared his flu-ridden saliva on doorknobs, computer keyboards and mouses, etc. Within a week, most of the office was sick, in the middle of a big campaign.
You just described every middle manager ever.
What if all middle managers are just plants from competing companies?
In every company I’ve worked for that had middle managers, they spent 80% of their time trying to justify their position with self-assigned busy work to try to look useful for the company.
Just thinking out loud here.
Faking it also give them power. If all the generals go in an give an oath to the furher, they don’t all have to mean it for it to have far reaching effects.
But if you’re not going to take the oath, I feel like you have to have a real plan for resistance beyond just get escorted… out.
It doesn’t help that our government was founded with a core principle of the military being subservient to a civilian command.
These are smart people entrusted with the most powerful military in history. If anyone can find a strategy to prevent the Fourth Reich, it’s them.
I feel like that’s probably the logic of a lot of Nazi generals who just you know continued to be Nazi generals. As in just self justification.
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Last year I heard a talk by retired Admiral Stravidis, who among other things was supreme commander of NATO for a few years. He pointed out that by the time somebody makes the rank of General or Admiral they will have sworn that oath a bunch of times. They renew that oath each time they are promoted etc. They also would have administered that oath to countless other soldiers & sailors over the years.
Fire all the generals and admirals, and guess what? They are replaced by junior officers who have repeated the oath to the US Constitution almost as many times. There’s always the chance that some may decide to bend the knee to Trump, but there are significantly more that likely won’t.
Here’s how this goes: they take any other oath instead of the one they already took, TO PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION FROM ENEMIES DOMESTIC, we kill them.
It’s that simple. This clownfuck administration has been fucking around for nine months. How bad do they want to find out.
Cool story bro.