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      Counterpoint: If America gave a fuck about women it

      1. Wouldn’t have bought oil from a repressive regime that suppressed woman’s rights for decades and continues to do so.

      2. Elected a pedophile rapist who engaged in the trafficking of girls.

      3. Mourned and idolized a man who spread a religiously driven message that women should submit to men.

      Unless you’re saying supporting either nation implies a lack of support for women. Which would be an undoubtedly reasonable position.

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        Perhaps we can have a slightly more granular system than giving a fuck, yes/no, 1 or 0, black and white. May I suggest perhaps we count how many fucks a country has to give for women? On that scale, we would properly see that the US gives far, far more fucks about women than Saudi Arabia. I’ve been there. Do not casually equate the two.

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          Yes we can have a granular system but then do we acknowledge:

          1. Saudi Arabia has made more progress in the right direction (though dictator driven) while the US has elected a rapist, pedophile trafficker of girls who is keen on undoing progress on woman’s rights. One who was elected by millions of voters which suggests that many agree with his worldview.

          2. That neither country respects women, even if one has developed more protections overall.

          3. Whether your god is Capitalism or a religious deity, women are seen as having less value (monerarily or spiritually).

          Please don’t oversimplify my efforts to bring nuance to this discussion. Making a simple ‘Saudi Arabia is worse than the US’ statement without appropriate context opens the door to two inhumane outcomes that I cannot tolerate.

          1. The dehumanization of people in Saudi Arabia for having perceivably less progressive values. We can disagree with people and their value system without forgetting their humanity. Unfortunately such arguments were used during the colonial era by Western powers to justify inumerable immoral acts.

          2. The dismissal of challenges faced by women in the US because women in other nations ‘have it worse’.

          So while I firmly believe both countries are in the category of ‘Needs Improvement’ I am wary of reductive arguments being used to materially worsen conditions for women both here and there.

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        I am intimately familiar with the ongoing hatred for women among Americans. Supreme Court rulings, legislative action, and modern campaigns for a return to lives of drudgery and involuntary childbearing are not even trying to sugarcoat the fact that we are considered lesser beings, despite being necessary for population growth.

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    Chappelle has always been tone-deaf about many things, he’s just more obvious about it since he’s older. Glad more and more people are noticing his hypocrisy

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        In what way? There’s this, and the punching down / anti-trans rhetoric thing, but it feels like you’re talking about something else entirely.

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          Didn’t he buy up and invest in the entire town and then extort them into doing his bidding or something?

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            At a Yellow Springs (Ohio) village‑council meeting in December 2021 he warned the council that he would pull his multi‑million‑dollar investment—plans for a restaurant and a comedy club—if they approved a zoning change that would allow new duplexes, townhouses and a parcel set aside for affordable housing. He said

            “I’ve invested millions of dollars in this town. If you push this thing through, what I’m investing in is no longer applicable… I am not bluffing. I will take it all off the table.

            “I cannot believe you would make me audition for you. You look like clowns… I will take it all off the table.”

            His main complaint was that the affordable‑housing would sit right next to the site he intended to develop for his restaurant and comedy club which would affect their commercial viability.

            The village council ultimately scrapped the affordable housing plan.

            https://slate.com/business/2022/02/dave-chappelle-affordable-housing-ohio-yellow-springs.html

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            I couldn’t give less of a fuck if anyone’s a traitor to their own country in that way. The tax evasion is bad because of ethics, not because he “betrayed his country”. It didn’t have any effect on his lifestyle but he chose to do it anyway, it’s all about him being a greedy fuck and not about Nationalism.

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              but how the fuck do you enrich yourself and not give back to your country? who else is paying for the police, roads, schools, hospitals, and then you also get to “vote” on how it’s spent? I’m a low-wage broke fuck but I still pay taxes and that’s how the government makes me contribute to everything we all benefit from. Meanwhile, this super wealthy multi-millionare twat does not, and tax evades instead? I’m someone who contributes to, and is hurt when I see my country struggles because we’re all in this together.

              You understand me right? that’s why I used the word traitor. he should be jailed and not welcomed in the UK

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      Pete Davison is just mind blowing. He can’t even make jokes about how SA murdered his Jewish dad, while he sucks the dick of the men who murdered his dad

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    Bad title. He’s criticizing the state of free speech in America citing the Jimmy Kimmel cancellation and people fired / cancelled over Charlie Kirk speech.

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      I don’t think anyone thought he was criticizing free speech. Yes, it’s a bad title, but it’s still hilarious to go to Saudi Arabia and pretend like they have more free speech rights

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        Reading the comments here, a LOT of people seemed to think that he was criticizing free speech. Like, no curiosity whatsoever, just jump straight into judgement. 🙃

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          a LOT of people seemed to think that he was criticizing free speech

          The headline literally says “Dave Chappelle Criticizes Free Speech”, so that’s quite understandable.

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    So what did he actually say?

    “Right now in America, they say that if you talk about Charlie Kirk, that you’ll get canceled,” Chappelle told an audience of 6,000, according to The New York Times. “I don’t know if that’s true, but I’m gonna find out.” He then added, “It’s easier to talk here than it is in America.”

    Well, that sounds… accurate. Doesn’t excuse the other things he’s said, but… yea.

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        SA gave rules to the court jesters that went there, you cant criticize SA, or MSB, or islam in anyway, even inneundos or implying.

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          No they don’t give a fuxk about insulting Islam. Many forign performers shitted on Islam so hard on stage there, and they doubled their pay for it and reinvited them agaim. They just shove it alongside because it’d look bad if they only said can’t criticize the government

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      Did you see the contract he signed? “Easier to talk here” is just factually incorrect.

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        If you’re looking for a factually correct comic, Carlin’s dead.

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        Say what you will about repression of free speech in Saudi Arabia (and there is a lot that can be said), at least with a contract you know where the line is. The royal family knows they’re not proponents of free speech.

        America is in that awkward teenage phase of not knowing who they are right now, leaving a lot of ambiguity around free speech.

        I appreciate Saudi Arabia’s clarity. Even if they are objectively wrong. America just seems self-righteously confused, if such a state even exists.

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      I wonder how that went over. It’s obviously criticizing America, but really at the expense of SA by saying their free speech is shit. (Which if you think about it violates the terms of the contract someone else posted in this thread.)

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    He referenced the Charlie Kirk situation. He didn’t say anything about Charlie Kirk. He’s nothing more than a rightwing propagandist these days.

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    I’ll bet ya a whole dollar that he doesn’t know who Jamal Khashoggi was.

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    I mean … a TV host just got fired/scathed/re-hired for talking about the fallout of a murder at a political rally.

    So … maybe the USA is not doing well with free speech.

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      It’s not, and criticizing it is fair, but… from Saudi Arabia? The Trump admin is basically modelling themselves off their shit at this point. If he really felt this way in general, he wouldn’t have performed at this show in the first place. Criticizing the way free speech is handled in one country while in another country known for chopping up journalists is tone-deaf and comes off as self-serving.

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        “I’m starting to think we expect too much from our clowns”

        this quote is the best thing that i have to offer.

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        Americas protection of free speech is tenuous now that’s for sure. But surely there’s a difference between being cancelled and being murdered and chopped into pieces. Right?

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    That’s not what free speech is. The government has never attacked Chapelle for his speech.

    His bigoted shit just isn’t funny to GenZ and they don’t mind telling him.

    It’s our right to Freedom of Association he has an issue with.

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    he hated that he was called out for being a transphobic person, thats the real reason. now that hes in a country that hates lgbtq+ he feels welcomed.

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      Based on some of his accounts of his experiences I get why he might have a chip on his shoulder. Callinh the police on a black man for no reason just to harass them is practically attempted murder in the US and is an unacceptable step up from online comments.

      That being said, saying a country like Saudi Arabia where the state will throw you in jail for speech with no due process is the same is a complete lack of awareness.

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      Funny how all other countries are lacking the range of having different opinions about things among the different groups of people. Saudi Arabia hates lgbtq+? With such a view, does that mean the USA love guns more than school children?

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        does that mean the USA love guns more than school children?

        Yes. I say this as an American. If America actually cared about children we would have been able to do something after Sandy Hook. America contains people that aren’t stupid about guns just as I’m sure SA contains people that don’t like slavery. But the good ones aren’t in charge.

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      Daily reminder that Burr was never a progressive or ally to leftism, or even humanity broadly.

      We just all really loved when he directed his performance against the people who deserve it the most, so that’s what we choose to remember.

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        hes an opportunists like many comedians apparently. he was doing something very popular at the moment, aka the Luigi situation, and then immediately crawled back to whatever cave he came out of, not a peep after he made that statement.

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        Daily reminder anyone who makes appeal to collective moralism while denigrating a specific individual is almost invariably an intolerable cunt.

        Also Bill Burr is a Legend

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          Also Bill Burr is a Legend

          meh.

          He has his weak points. His podcasts during lockdowns quickly degraded to one hour of him watching sports on TV.

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          I agree Bill Burr = Legend. That first part though, I could agree with you but then we’d both be wrong.

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      I was shocked as well. But I have to admit, to a certain extent Bill Burr has a point. Not everyone in that country is part of the Royal family and part of the oppression. And creating a doorway by introducing Western influences most especially Western comedy could conceivably bridge a gap there. However anybody criticizing the United States for attacks on freedom of speech while praising a place like Saudi Arabia needs to go fuck a horse.

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        The crown are making big adult playgrounds for rich people so they can divest themselves of the financial road-to-nowhere that is oil. There’s no morality in this, their people will still be deeply oppressed and no amount of witticisms will change that.

        I don’t even really judge Burr too harshly here, but the excuse is paper thin. I’d rather he just not give one and make a joke about how many millions he can’t make cussing out hecklers in Tucson.

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          yea hence the sportswashing, entertainment washing, and recently buying UP EA for 55bn. last i ehard thier countries oil reserves are going to dry up by the 2050s, if not sooner, yea they are in deep trouble if they doing it this early on.

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        I don’t disagree entirely and I’m sure they got a fat check out of it but you’re not going to shit talk SA in SA without getting your head cut off

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        Billy Burka argument is total bullshit. They’ve accepted blood money for whitewashing and the whole world begged them to reject it and speak up instead. Close the gap of my ass bro. The only gap that needs closing is his holed brain to understand that this dictorship is fully enabled by his American government against the will of Saudi citizens. Go perform for Putin and Kim Un next.

        I don’t want to repeat myself. Read my comment to understand because you sound clueless how this shit works:

        https://lemmy.world/comment/19750023