Sorry if thia type of question isn’t allowed, I tried on AskPolitics as well but that comm looks mega dead so I’m x-posting here
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Forgive me if I’m woefully misunderstanding how this all works.
If the government is shut down, and they can’t reach an agreement to open it back up, what happens?
Short term? What does it look like in the coming weeks to months if no agreement is reached?
Mid-Term? Within the next year, if things are still all shut down, what happens to things like trade, tax payments, public services?
Long-term? If, worst case scenario, the divisions between the parties with power have grown so though they can’t ever reach an agreement: what happens then? Is it an anarchist state? Do we have new coup attempts to take power? Does the US balkanize?
I’m not meaning to inject any sort of bias in my line of questions, I hope I haven’t led anyone to any specific conclusions.
Personally I have no inclination for a government that, has paramilitary grabbing folks on the streets and renditioning to literally devil knows where as they will refuse to say where people have been sent, to be running. It can be shutdown forever as it stands now.
ICE still has funding though is my understanding.
If you have conservative reps you could try calling and writing their office and demand they compromise on health care. With enough pressure they will cave.
If you have progressive reps call and congratulate them and tell them not to stop until the conservatives start participating in governance
Many of your later questions would rely on too much conjecture to answer. The simple truth is this unprecedented and we don’t know what is going to happen.
I share many of your concerns as many people here do.
I have a conservative rep and I’ve thought about writing to them - but not for the reasons you state.
My plea would be to replace the speaker as the House isn’t working but they are getting paid. Even if the senate comes to some compromise, it still needs to be passed by the house IIRC.
The long term is typically what happens to empires like Rome or Britain: a slow, whiny, unstable decline into obscurity until everyone eventually leaves.
Rome had so many civil wars, imperial overextension, political instability, famines, and an inability to cope with disasters, that by the time it fell, it hollowed out to like < 1% of its peak population.
/end doomposting
We don’t really know. I expect things to degrade until we hit a constitutional crisis of some form.
The U.S. balkanizing is what I expect to occur sometime in the next few decades. Divisions have just grown so strongly that there already are functionally a few different Americas, even if we’re still bound together for now.
In terms of the current shutdown though, I suspect it will last through Thanksgiving, and we will see the mother of all air traffic catastrophes. Multiple high profile crashes, tons of airports fully shutdown, lots of airspace shutdown, all amidst one of the busiest travel times of the year. Afterwards, there will be enough pressure to get the Reps to agree to a clean continuing resolution, which will fund the govt through January, and then we’ll do the whole song and dance again.
Well California is just making their own equivalent of federal programs. So if you are on the west coast you are doing better than most.
I hate to ask, but source?
You should always ask for sources ;)
- https://www.gov.ca.gov/2025/09/03/california-oregon-and-washington-to-launch-new-west-coast-health-alliance-to-uphold-scientific-integrity-in-public-health-as-trump-destroys-cdcs-credibility/
- https://ccfoodbank.org/ and https://benefitscal.com/?lang=en for food security (theres a ton of these in cali). California is still giving out food and $$ for food this year, even with the cutbacks.
- https://www.gov.ca.gov/2025/10/16/governor-newsom-announces-affordable-calrx-insulin-11-a-pen-will-soon-be-available-for-purchase/ - for insulin
- Free school meals for kids: https://www.cde.ca.gov/ls/nu/sn/cauniversalmeals.asp
Those are all on top of my head. In my local area we have affordable housing money that is still making its way into the community and its helping out quite a bit. California does a TON for its people.
If you cant change your country for the better, try to change your state. If you cant change your state for the better, try to change your county/city. If you cant change your county/city for the better, try to change your local community/family group. And if you cant change any of the above, just try to take care of yourself. Sometimes thats all you can do.
