The comments here on this Lemmy post can serve as a perfect demonstration for the reason behind men turning right-wing. Any comment trying to point out some specific aspect of life where men are experiencing more hardships is immediately shut off and getting told these experiences and concerns are invalid.
There is a limit to how much “fuck you” one can hear before going “well, fuck you too”.
Sure is weird how none of my boys have issues dating and maintaining relationships.
It’s almost like these right-wing “children” were raised poorly, and by the same people that scream and cry when they hear the phrase “it takes a village”.
Noting is a good excuse for being a fascist.
I cant find any stats to suggest there is any difference in the relationship status of right wing men vs left and its not a good idea rhetorically to punch down on men struggling to date.
There’s an art to diplomacy, and sometimes it involves omitting truths or carefully framing it, even when dealing with awful people, and compromising or postponing grand strategic goals for short-term gains.
I feel like many young men are being alienated by people pissed off with the status quo that fail at or refuse to engage with them diplomatically. I get it, I don’t want to compromise or negotiate on basic human rights and dignity either. I don’t want to wait for things to get better. I don’t want to coddle the sensitive pride of chauvinistic dickheads.
But reactionary grift thrives on the (negative) reaction to being told your way of life, your habits, your norms are bad and wrong, and particularly to the (exaggerated) impression that you are bad and wrong for reasons beyond you control (like being born with a dick) or that you are irrelevant.
We need to find a way to communicate issues more diplomatically and include these men in the conversation and solution rather than making them “the other”.
And we also need to reign in the hardcore misandrists who genuinely do want to turn this into us vs. them.
Thanks for putting it in words, people from the left at core want to help but they attack anyone who is in close proximity to them and appear to be the part of the statues queue, like " if not privileged why privileged shaped"
The whole situation becomes like:
“hi, I have problems with my job…”
“But you are a man, you are working for a multi-billion dollar company founded by men, who are part of oppression and putting the world in a dangerous place…”
“But I am a server at McDonald…”
“Is anything factually wrong with what I said… No right, see you are part of the problem”
The above example is over simplification but that’s how many of the conversations have felt when I tried to explain my position.
No one has mentioned anything yet what the right offers to help men as a solution. They only said going right as a ‘fuck you too’ threat towards the left.
You have a choice. Be the change or make threats.
If you got a flat tire you can pull over to the side of the road and either:
1: repair it
or
2: punch a hole into the rest of the tires and bitterly yell at all the other cars for having working tires.
If the second was your choice, you can’t pretend for a moment you got involved legitimately to fix a tire. It is a choice. It is your choice. Not everyone else. Not the left. Yours.
they listen and acknowledge their problems. instead of telling men to shut up and fuck off and die.
the fact you think the left having to acknowledge men as legitimate human beings who suffer is sacriled5igous is precisely the problem. the right treats them like people, and isn’t ‘ashamed’ to ask for their support
Man, thats some high quality projection right there.
I hope you’re getting paid well, because holy hell to be able to say that shit with a straight face is almost impressive.
Nah dude, i am just not an ideologue. I don’t view politics as one side good, other side bad. I don’t treat politics as if it’s religion where we must shun and kill the non-believers.
And sadly that is a perspective so called ‘open minded tolerant’ leftists cannot abide. the possibility that maybe they are just as wrong and stupid as the people they hate because their politics is governed by belief and tribalism above all else. and how totally alienating that is the average person goes right over their heads, because they are true believers who think belief it and of itself justified all their shitty actions and words towards non-believers.
"Im totally not an idealogue, I’m totally open minded, thats why I can safely say that liberals are evilbad and republicans are flawless and love and respect everyone equally, despite 15 mount everests of facts and proof showing otherwise. Also its totally the democrats that want to kill non-believers, its totally not my pure, loving republican party that wants to do that. "
i never said any of that, but i’m glad you can’t take any criticsm of the leftism without devolving it into good vs evil. which is precisely why young men are anti-left. they don’t want to be told how evil they are. nobody does.
Yeah, Thats why young people are anti-left.
It has nothing to do with the fact that there are entire youtube and facebook groups engineered for and dedicated to funneling the vulneralbe into the right wing hate machine, and how every one of them has family members concerned and saying they changed and became so hateful after starting to listen to whatever right wing predator dejure they picked up.
No no, its the evil left, for being super evil with their calling out republican nonsense, propaganda, and lies.
Truly, Republicans are the greatest, most oppressed victims on earth. Even Jesus weeps for the unfair cruelty of their plight.
The good news, I guess, is that people can get better. I was one of those people who moved further right in young adulthood. I’m glad the social media and such didn’t exist then as I was not equipped to handle that by my upbringing and would have fallen right into that trap. We just had Limbaugh and Beck and the like. At some point, I pulled a 180 and, now in my mid-40s, find myself probably somewhere around center-left to left as most western European countries might define that.
Huh, interesting that Limbaugh and Beck had that effect on you. I feel like they weren’t as readily accessible as modern right wing talking heads. What changed for you? What made you realize things and turned it around?
I had a lot of issues growing up. Neurodivergent kid in rural Ohio in the '80s, lots of conservative people around, abusive people in my family making stuff hard for much of my young childhood, and a number of other things. I wanted the same thing anyone joining a gang wants, really. Acceptance, feeling like I belong, and feeling like I was fighting something or for something better.
I came from a place where I, very much without knowing it, was very entitled and privileged. I was kept away from others a lot as a kid (lived with my grandparents for a bit and wasn’t allowed to play with the other neighbors (who were in my class) because they were not white. Other perspectives were few and far between when and where I grew up. There are some other reasons that there were huge gaps in my critical thinking and bullshit detection (partly due to not questioning people in power and getting heavily punished when I did). I got taken advantage of a lot when I first got out on my own and had to basically do a lot of lessons that most kids/teens learned as an adult with much more dire consequences.
I felt like I was working hard and that others’ failures were because they didn’t work hard enough (and that I didn’t work hard enough when I was failing). In reality, a lot of people attribute way too much of their success to their own skill not luck and circumstance. At the same time I was thinking other people were lazy, I was also helped by some of my family through some financial hard times more than once (though I was briefly homeless another time). I came to realize, as I met more and varied people, that some of the hardest workers I knew were getting fucked over. Two jobs, caring deeply about their families, and barely able to tread water to support themselves and those that relied on them.
Contradictions between people claiming to be christians and anything that christ would have done. People thinking they were holy and great for holding some coat drive and stuff, but any tax dollars for a safety net were just terrible and those people were just going to spend it on drugs. People who kept pulling up every bit of safety because “fuck you, I’ve got mine”, for lack of a better term was just more and more visible when I looked at what was going on. Also being out on my own and working when 9/11 happened and the crazy amounts of hate and racism that followed that. I slowly started actually seeing all of these things, losing that entitlement, not othering people, and realizing things for what they were. I traveled to other places, saw other ways of life. The early internet and chatting people from around the world via IRC and the like also played a role in that.
Living as a minority in another country (I moved to Japan in my early 30s), getting randomly stopped and searched, struggling to find housing, and other things also cemented many of the other things I had already been learning. I am a deeply empathetic person, but I had always assumed that everyone was acting in good faith in a lot of situations and that merit would see me treated “properly”. That’s not the reality. The reality is that people are messy and flawed, that people are mostly good but often wary. This can manifest as racism in the guise of “protecting our culture and way of life” where those others getting stopped and searched (often in front of their communities, peers, clients, etc. who have no idea what is going on and assume the worst) was just a mild inconvenience. That experience in particular showed me exactly what white, male privilege in the US was. I could never see it clearly since I always had it.
This is a very long and rambling response. I guess the TL;DR would be seeing my own entitlement and privilege, realizing that people in power and authority often don’t get there through merit and/or hard work alone (if at all), and generally getting more experience and seeing and experiencing inequity.
My husband has said your TL;DR verbatim when we were early in dating. He got there a different way, but he said what he went through was an eye opener for him, changing him profoundly, while giving him a lot of gratitude for what he does have, and is able to do.
I have had my share of struggles and hardship, definitely not the worst anyone’s had it, but enough to empathize I think. I lived in a camper for 5 years, was lucky to have that tbh. Shit jobs, shit pay, no respect. I live in the boonies so I work with all these guys. I’m a white straight guy too, so I pass, and I get to sit with them while they share their terrible opinions.
I guess what I mean to say is that somehow the exact experiences that are turning these man children into hateful far right weirdos have happened to me. Somehow I went hard to the left instead. I wasn’t a “radical” before I moved out here, it’s a response to the last 10 years mostly. Was it because I was raised differently? Probably, my mother is one of the most compassionate people I’ve known, and selfishness was ‘punished’ when I was young. Was it the psychedelics? Also probably. There are lots of other experiences that I know most of these guys haven’t had that helped me be a better person, travel, volunteer work I had to do, I’m sure I am forgetting a lot. But what helps me understand also makes it more difficult to excuse. A lot of these guys have had every opportunity I have, some a lot more. It’s difficult to listen to somebody that has had a chance at promotion complain about their pay, for an analogy that comes from reality. When I also know so many other groups of people are flat denied that opportunity. They don’t have solidarity because they are selfish. I think that’s what it boils down to.
Terminate Stoned Sunday ramble/
What I’m gleaning from the worst of the posters I’ve seen and responded to on here, it’s not even the hardship so much as low self esteem from making comparisons about the hardship they are feeling and getting most hung up on.
Every one of them get hung up on their perspective someone else’s thoughts about them. It’s always about someone else who ‘hates them’. And they cannot overcome it.
they aren’t seeing this as a self esteem problem but a problem with the world for not gifting them what they are missing from themself. Self acceptance. And living in that resentment and taking it out on everyone around them. You can see it in how their first go-to is ‘to tell the left to fuck off’ as being their entire reason for going right. They don’t even lead with what they are getting on the right unless you dig more than one conversation from it. So that tells you right there how little they are willing to work on themself when you have to basically pull teeth to get it out of them that there’s supposedly any depth in their decisions to go right.
this isn’t growth. This isn’t the trait of a survivor. This is not someone who is getting their needs met. This is victimhood mentality. You see this kind of rhetoric in full blown addicts who won’t seek therapy to stop their carousel of self destruction.
These incels are their own worst enemy. Not the world. Themselves.
I’m going to guess that you are speaking well about your mother as she’s helped you gain some good tools to see your self worth and regardless of what possible mean thing another person might even say to you: that’s a reflection of themselves. Not you.
And you said it yourself: others have had it as bad or worse than you. And you can recognize this.
you’re not alone in your struggle. No one is really. In group therapies you especially see this as each person tells their story : it’s the same thing for every listener (who is working on the self) that regardless of where they come from’ , we’re all struggling. And we’re not here to compare ourselves to others.
Looking at your situation as well as any survivors of hardship: they understand that they have to make a decision every day to commit to surviving. It isn’t something given, it’s something you do for you with intention.
I’ve not yet heard anything yet that at the right are actually offering them that helps them deal with this problem. There are no tools. All there is only anger and spite towards the left and a healthy side of a ‘poor me’ attitude.
Group therapy was the best thing that has ever happened to me
Being in this demographic, I don’t get this. How is right wing even an option, how do you tell yourself you’re okay with all the bullshit they’re pushing. I get if you were already right-wing, chances are you’ll stay like this, but how do you even go from ‘everyone should have rights’ to ‘maybe we should cripple ourselves, the rich deserves more’.
Shit’s wild
My honest opinion. The right pipeline is meeting boys where they are. The left needs to stop pontificating about shit and get on their level.
It’s no different than the fact that the education system as it’s been designed is easier for girls to navigate than boys. Look at post-secondary attendance by gender over time.
This is a problem that has been brewing for decades and we have done nothing to stop it and the right wing despite all their faults are actually engaging these boys where they are.
If you are a parent. Hell if you are a mother, you should be scared as shit at how your sons are checking out of society writ large.
I’m a 48 year old dude with 3 kids. My daughter will be fine. My boys on the other hand? I’m doing my best to make sure they’re adjusted and successful but it’s exceedingly hard.
I spent over a decade thinking “God this sucks, but at least things will get better once the boomers die off.” The worst political blow of my life was realizing that the younger generation also lacked critical thinking skills.
One reason why so many are turning bigots, you expressed it yourself: your refusal to consider them on your same level, as intelligent and critical thinkers as you. Somehow everyone is stupid but you (and I don’t mean “you” specifically, rather everyone who approaches discourse in the same way).
Calling our opponents dumb is being polite, or maybe a psychological defense mechanism against the horror of the alternative.
If you are dumb it’s not your fault. You didn’t, know better. If you are ignorant you can learn.
If you are smart and you still made the choices knowing the outcomes, then we have to go to other explanations: greed is the next least bad, and certainly it plays a part, but honestly that doesn’t usually follow. The vast majority of conservative supporters have no chance to benefit from their policies, so we have to go further to find an explanation.
Cruelty. They want the suffering, the death, the destruction of human potential. Or maybe sadism. They enjoy inflicting pain and deprivation.
The mind recoils, so we call them dumb, because the world in which the ignorant masses are being misled by nafarious elites is less soul crushing to contemplate than the world where the masses act out of cruelty and sadism.
against the horror of the alternative.
Which could also be that they are correct.
We have more than enough evidence of exactly the opposite to dismiss this possibility. All the problems are less extreme in the countries with public healthcare and that don’t worship corporations
Wrong thread? This is about
How is right wing even an option,
I will get down voted for this. But if you want an answer, here’s what I believe happens:
Initially young men were mostly okay with social left, because: “let gay people be gay”, “don’t treat women worse than men”, “don’t be hateful to foreigners” are easy to agree to, they follow the principles of “let people do whatever they want if it doesn’t affect you”, “every human should be treated equally” and “don’t hate entire groups of people for attributes they can’t control, some individuals are good and some are bad in every group”.
However, social left has moved the goalpost. Now it is: “we have to change the rules for the trans”, “we have to give women privilege to compensate for misogyny”, “we have to give minorities privilege to compensate for X-ism” which follow different principles than the first paragraph. And with the moving of the goalpost comes “if you are to the right of the goalpost after being moved, you are a fascist and a Nazi and I don’t wanna hear what you have to say”.
I liked and agreed with the first paragraph a lot. But I don’t like the second one at all. And I believe this happens to a lot more young men.
That being said, I’m not retarded, I would never fote for a right wing party, specially since they are doing the same and moving the goalpost to the right so much that most of them are actually fascists.
You’ve hit the nail on the head but not in the way you think. Let’s dig into the things you state made young men no longer accepting of the, (1) “let people do whatever they want if it doesn’t affect you” and (2) “every human should be treated equally”.
The goalpost-moved, “we have to change the rules for the trans”. What do you mean? The whole trans issue was invented by the right wing as a new bogeyman to attack. Gay people were accepted (after many decades of abuse) by the general public - so they were no longer an effective target. New target: trans. I had honestly heard about trans people about a couple dozen times in my life prior to 2010, and I knew two of them. It was just not any kind of big deal. Very easy to file under (1) and (2). Zero impact to anyone’s life but their own. Then all of a sudden: bathroom bans, Jordan Peterson talking about them a lot, Trump banning them from military service, and so on… And so forth. There was no great request that trans people suddenly made to society - they were just thrust into the spotlight as a new target for people who are scared of anything they’re not familiar with (conservatives) to fearmonger into the right ("teachers want to let your boys wear dresses to school and turn your kids trans!").
Next “we have to give women privilege to compensate for misogyny”. What privilege? Honeslty. I’m really at a loss on this one. The privilege of police having to actually take reports and follow then up when they claim they’re sexually assaulted or raped, as opposed to the 90s & prior standard of “are you sure you weren’t asking for it?” & filing it in the back of the drawer to never see light again? The privilege of MeToo which is where many women came forward about sexual assault that they were pressured against mentioning in the past? Again, anyone on the left was fine with the ‘privileges’? as they firmly slot into (1) and (2).
Please elaborate, because details matter on these two issues you list as prime examples of the left moving the goalposts ‘beyond their original principles’ - because to me, a leftist, they seem perfectly in line.
Elaboration:
By women privilege I don’t mean anything to do with rape or sexual assault. Although laws that say “doing X to a woman is sexual assault” could easily say “doing X to a human is sexual assault” and nobody would complain, but that doesn’t score as much political points for leftist politicians.
I mean things like scholarships, entrepreneurship subsidies, gender-bas hiring quotas.
And many other things that used to be “micro-sexism” when it was done against women, now it’s done against men.
As an example, here’s some anecdotal evidence: my girlfriend studies mechanical manufacturing in a public school, they are about 10 people in class, 2 of them women. Every year they take photos/videos of students working to advertise their school. 2/2 times they “chose” the 2 women to appear in the mechanical manufacturing adds, 0 men.
Later on, each group made a project and submitted it for a government program for entrepreneurs. They only chose 1 group from her class (guess which one, the one with 2 women). When they attended the gathering of the awarded ones, they asked the organizers and they admitted that no group for their class was good enough, they only got in because they were 2 women in a mechanical manufacturing class.
Every time I say cases like this there is one of 2 responses from the left:
- Of course! We have to compensate since men have it easier!
- That’s just anecdotal evidence. The thing you describe never happens
I never hear this reaction: 3. Yeah that’s fucked up, the men in that class are 2nd class citizens in the presence of women.
So, a thought. The mechanical manufacturing school your girlfriend goes to wants to encourage more women to enrol in the majority male class. How do they do it?
Do they promote the women actually already in the class in advertising, or… Do they take photos of the men in the class, which implies it’s mostly men, or do they photo the entire class, which shows it’s 80% men?
As you said, ‘the left’ will generally first point out that your story is anecdotal… Because it is. What makes it essentially useless to a discussion is that we don’t know the drivers for the decisions of the school… they are only inferred by our biases. Maybe the marketing team just chose the most attractive people, and that happens to be the two good looking girls in a class full of guys with neck beards and barrel chests?
Whatever they choose depends on their marketing degree advice and their professional experience. Is this womens privilege or is this just marketing exploitation of what they know will drive demand?
Bias is only a privilege if it helps the person experiencing the bias. Does it help these ladies to be in the adverising material? Will it help them land a job? Do you think them adding it to their resume will give them any meaningful benefit? Because I doubt it. As someone who has been responsible for hiring people if I saw them include this in a resume I would think it was an odd thing to mention, it has no merit on their skills. Meanwhile, they’ll go into the manufacturing workforce and then they’ll get a job where they get paid ~85% of what a man does in the same job, statistically. That is not a thing of the past… It exists today in the USA. Earning 15% more because you were born male is a privilege that actually does have significant benefit. https://www.forbes.com/sites/josiecox/2025/03/05/over-the-last-two-decades-the-us-gender-pay-gap-has-hardly-moved/
I note you have no examples for the demands trans people have made. Yet their demands are a big enough problem in your initial comment to warrant first mention.
Gotta say, these big unfair reverse-bias microsexisms you cite seem pretty damn insignificant in the grand scheme of society. Meanwhile… trans people are literally being murdered quite regularly for being trans, being told which bathroom to use by legislation (and then regularly being attacked and beaten for using the legallg mandated bathroom), being banned from sports, banned from military service, constantly maligned in the mainstream media (sadly OAN and Fox are mainsteam), etc. Women are being legislated against using birth control and dying from easily preventable complications of childbirth due to draconian anti-abortion laws. Still experiencing domestic violent and sexual assault at rates absolutely dwarfing those of men.
Right wing guys: society hates men. Left gone too far. Ladies and trans get so many the benefits. Lady got to be in photo! 😡
Ah. I see you completely ignored one of the 2 examples. You’re also assuming I’m in the US (which I’m not, I’m a Spaniard). You only mentioned the photo thing, but completely ignored the entrepreneurship program.
I only mentioned the photo thing because for years I’ve been hearing that we live in a sexist society because some films don’t pass the bechdel test (idk if it’s spelled like that, I hope you know what I mean). Yet when men are completely erased from media then it’s because they are neck bearded fat guys. Again, this is not the US, this is Spain, the boys are fit good looking young men. Of course, my girlfriend is way prettier, but the boys are not ugly.
I didn’t give examples for the trans thing because I thought it to be self-evident and writing these posts take quite a bit of time. But here you go:
(Below when I say trans I mean “some trans and allies”, of course not all of them think 100% the same)
- Trans demand the rules of sports be changed so they can participate in their preferred league.
- Trans demand they change laws so they are based around their belief of how gender works.
- If there are gender-specific subsidies (which again, I don’t think they should be), trans demand it is given to them.
- Trans demand official documents reflect their view of gender.
- Some trans even demand their cosmetic surgeries be paid by the government.
Also, the order of the issues neither in this comment nor in the previous one is in any way related to importance, IDK why you assumed that in the first place. And again, IDK why you assume US, most of the 7th paragraph only applies to the US. If trans were just saying “we exist, let us exist, don’t hate us just for existing” like the rest of LGB, I don’t think it would be an issue. Instead they say “we exist, and even if we are the 0.001% (made up number), we demand 50% of society’s focus, and if you don’t treat us exactly the way we want, then you’re a nazi”.
EDIT: sure, just ignore the concerns and read only the “weak” ones. And young men turning right will be as surprising to you as people not liking AI is surprising to Microsoft execs.
I didn’t presume you were in the US, all of the examples I used of recent trans oppression apply to more than just the US but it’s true I was thinking of them while writing it. I’m not in the US either.
Mate, your five examples of trans demands are literally all wrong.
Gender is not sex. Gender is not binary, nor is sex. These are not scientifically controversial ideas. They are long studied norms.
- Some (very few) trans women want to play in women’s sports. There have been trans athletes for many decades. It only became an issue when conservatives started complaining that they were in sport. Then the rules have been changed to ban them. Literally the opposite of your claim.
- As above you’re wrong about gender.
- Never heard of this would love an example. Seems like an incredibly niche issue.
- Trans women are women. They ask to be named as such on their forms. Who does this affect?
- So in the past, in countries with good social support networks for healthcare governments have offered to pay for gender affirming care. Its recommended by psychologists, psychiatriaata and was the standard of care recommendes by leading health bodies. Im aware of governments now beginning to stop offering these surgeries and gender care based on pressure, again, from anti-trans folk.
What is the impact to you or anyone else of 2,3,4,5? Remember we’re discussing issues that are not falling into the category of “if this isn’t hurting anyone then hey none of my business” and “everyone deserves equal care”. Very, very few women are impacted by 1, most female (at birth) athletes are trans-inclusive - can easily Google hundreds of examples.
You have it flipped. Trans people weren’t asking for shit, dude. They just got turned into the scapegoat of the right wing. I pay my taxes… And if some guy gets testosterone therapy because he’s 50 and his testosterone has started to decline and he needs gender affirming care, that’s fine - that’s good. Same for an older woman needing oestrogen therapy - great, help her out. Why would I suddenly give a crap if some struggling person wants trans treatment and it’s recommended by the medical establishment?? Likewise if some lady who used to be a boy 20 years ago is really embarrassed and harassed every time she passes through an airport by customs and security questioning why her passport says ‘male’ - fair enough, that must suck.
And then there’s people like you, who unquestioningly accept these ‘demands’ as unreasonable - because someone told you they are.
Reconsider.
P. S. Love that it’s ok for you to gloss over direct questions, but for me to accept points and not respond to every single one is to “completely ignore” them. I do not have to acknowledge every single point in long comments. We’d be here forever.
if trans were just saying “we exist, let us exist, don’t hate us just for existing” like the rest of LGB, I don’t think it would be an issue. Instead they say “we exist, and even if we are the 0.001% (made up number), we demand 50% of society’s focus, and if you don’t treat us exactly the way we want, then you’re a nazi”.
I realize you’re being flippant and over-exaggerating, but statements like this make you look exactly like the right-winger you claim not to be. Trans people do just want to exist without being subjugated and stigmatized (which is definitely currently happening). None are making any such overbearing demands as you claim.
South Korea, what the fuck?
From the article:
The #MeToo movement was the key trigger, giving rise to fiercely feminist values among young women who felt empowered to speak out against long-running injustices. That spark found especially dry tinder in South Korea, where gender inequality remains stark, and outright misogyny is common.
In the country’s 2022 presidential election, while older men and women voted in lockstep, young men swung heavily behind the right-wing People Power party, and young women backed the liberal Democratic party in almost equal and opposite numbers.
Korea’s is an extreme situation, but it serves as a warning to other countries of what can happen when young men and women part ways. Its society is riven in two. Its marriage rate has plummeted, and birth rate has fallen precipitously, dropping to 0.78 births per woman in 2022, the lowest of any country in the world.
Seven years on from the initial #MeToo explosion, the gender divergence in attitudes has become self-sustaining. Survey data show that in many countries the ideological differences now extend beyond this issue. The clear progressive-vs-conservative divide on sexual harassment appears to have caused — or at least is part of — a broader realignment of young men and women into conservative and liberal camps respectively on other issues.
young women backed the liberal Democratic party in almost equal and opposite numbers
This is only partially true. The key swing vote in the election, that handed Trump the win were; 40+year old white women without a college education. Until this election, that group was almost entirely in the Democrat camp, but went full MAGA.
The youth vote only has a small turnout, with voting patterns locked into geographic regions, there wasn’t too much unexpected that happened with the youth vote.
Be skeptical of recent survey data, reflection on this past election, or any survey data for that matter, especially in a Medium article.This quote comes from the graph’s source article from the FT. They are talking about South Korea and not the US.
The author is discussing several countries, including the U.S.A., saying that it is the same trend for each. So yest they are implying the US.
What they are explicitly saying, and not implying at all is, “Korea’s is an extreme situation, but it serves as a warning to other countries of what can happen when young men and women part ways. Its society is riven in two.”
They are not implying the specifics of how the election unfolded in South Korea bears clear resemblance to the US like you stated.
This is a silly discussion because you did read the FT article, speculated wildly, and now are defending your bad take with a vague and baffling two sentence defense. Construct an actual argument.
I mean I’m on the left and even I’m getting tired of hearing how all men are trash, which seems to be the only message about men I hear. Young men are only being courted by the right, and the left doesn’t seem to care or even seems proud about it.
probably a lot of genz showed a signicant shift towards right wing , most likely has to do with right wing pundits, like j peterson, joe roegans, TPUSA,etc.
Let me remind you that they are simply left to sink or swim in a survival situation where the world seems to want them dead.
My own mind goes to eugenicy places when I realize what world we live on.
I was left on the street for dead at 17.
Radicalized me to the left, not the right, but of course I was that age during occupy wall st.
It’s the goddamn right wing influencers, and parents not supporting thier young adult children while they’ve already had unrestricted internet acess since they were little. “The world wants them dead” the world wants me dead too.
It’s hard to understand for me, the boys in my family were always allowed more freedom, more choice, less responsibility. Three generations it was like that. The mother’s love their son’s, hate their daughters. The father’s teach thier son’s, and rape thier daughters, and love no one, not even themselves.
Three generations of that in my family. It’s so hard to empathize, “the world wants them dead”. Better dead than you father’s slave, trust. That’s why I hit the street.
You are just proving my point, really. We created a hostile world where the fittest, and most entrenched thrive, where compassion is punished, and there is little reason to help others, who then turn out to just be more predators.
The solution: stop depending on the classic system, and build communities. Share crops, sell products as a community, pull each-other up. Nothing else will spite TPTB more.
Good, My intention was to help prove the point.
It’s fucked for everyone not born into wealth.
Teach your kids, teach your people, that helping is good, and being kind makes a good person. One must do the right thing, even when no one is looking, especially when no one is looking, without reward. Be radical.
Give more than you receive, never take more than you need. I really like to believe there are more good folks than bad, we need to collaborate together. Theres no choice but to do so or suffer.
HS grade school has largely degenerated to babysitting young children not even teens. r/teacher catches my eye from time to time.
I’ve never in my entire life heard a single person say that all men are trash. I think you’re either lying or exaggerating, and you haven’t either.
Pointing out that some men do horrible things is a common observation. Asking that men stop other men from doing bad things is another thing that could sounds burdensome. I can see how these types of statements might upset you if you’re missing the context or the speaker is unclear. But neither of them is equivalent to saying that all men are trash.
Here, this was on network television: https://youtube.com/shorts/fpEjHCW-lLk
Then you had the whole man vs bear shit that went viral.
Maybe actually look instead of burying your head in sand and calling people liars. Now go move some goal posts.
Exactly. The bear thing showed that many women think that the average bear is less risky than the average man under certain circumstances. It has nothing to do with all men or all bears…
In other words, it shows that you can ignore the words and play the victim if you like, but it doesn’t stand up to careful scrutiny.
