Can I still use apps from the app store if I use one of those alternative OS’s? I’m not very good with phones and don’t use mine much, but with so many things slowly going phone only I don’t want to cut myself off entirely.
Also, can I use those OS’s on my tablet? Which is best for somebody with decent Linux knowledge but almost no smart phone skills?
I know this won’t be a popular answer, but with my distaste for google, my switch to linux, the rumored google search revamp later this month turning it completely to AI and THIS? I’m going to go to iOS I believe
We’re not implying it, it’s ready fact. That walled garden is more secure against the outside, but you are completely a product to them that gets sold and you’re at the mercy of their appstore. Your data is not securely deleted from their cloud, tons of reports of data deleted years ago coming back, multiple attempts of them to auto-delete offending pictures from your roll with AI and the service being extremely overzealous.
we don’t know what apple does with it, we DO however know exactly what google has done and is doing with it. It’s not just them either, its preinstalled apps on flagship devices. iOS doesn’t have hidden meta files on your phone, and as you said, it is more secure.
"We want you to understand the types of information we collect as you use our services
We collect information to provide better services to all our users — from figuring out basic stuff like which language you speak, to more complex things like which ads you’ll find most useful, the people who matter most to you online, or which YouTube videos you might like. The information Google collects, and how that information is used, depends on how you use our services and how you manage your privacy controls.
Google also collects and uses data that is not associated with your account. For example, when you’re not signed in to a Google Account, we store the information we collect with unique identifiers tied to the browser, application, or device you’re using. This allows us to do things like maintain your preferences across browsing sessions, such as your preferred language or whether to show you more relevant search results or ads based on your activity.
When you’re signed in, we also collect information that we store with your Google Account, which we treat as personal information."
"Personal Data Use for Personalized User Experiences
Unlike other gatekeepers, Apple does not use algorithms or profiling to make any decision that would significantly affect its users without the opportunity for human review. Apple does not receive or use any personal data from third parties for any marketing or advertising purposes. Apple does not track its users. "
Seems Google is very open about using anything possible about their users even when not signed in.
Edit: absolutely hilarious people will argue things, then when presented with facts, they have nothing left but to downvote. That’s the strongest response they have.
(btw you can run all android apps on OS built on the android open source project like GrapheneOS or LineageOS. Banking apps also work perfectly on GrapheneOS, don’t know about LineageOS, not using it)
(btw you can run all android apps on OS built on the android open source project like GrapheneOS or LineageOS. Banking apps also work perfectly on GrapheneOS, don’t know about LineageOS, not using it)
Not entirely clear unfortunately. #2 requires google to continue to allow APKs to just work on the open OS’s. If they decide to require google signed OS components and/or encrypt the APKs, we’ll be at the mercy of the individual developers to continue to compile for FOSS. Banks will be far less likely to release ‘less secure’ versions of their apps to run on ‘aleternative operating systems’
For now, 2 is a good answer, but looking toward the future, stuff is looking a bit bleak. It’ll be a slow downward slide into obsolescence if we can’t keep the developers interested in FOSS support and if they’re no money in it for them, we’ll always end up with the shit end of the stick.
The problem with Samsung (last time I checked at least) is that the moment you unlock the bootloader (which is needed to install anything other than stock), there’s a flag raised voiding the warranty. That flag from what I know is acting like a hardware fuse, so it’s pretty much non-reversible. Shame, really, because Samsung do have some really nice things in terms of hardware.
f-droid’s website https://f-droid.org/ has a link to https://keepandroidopen.org/ which says in Google will lock down Android in September,
If you were planning on reformatting your phone to GrapheneOS, LineageOS, PostmarketOS, or UbuntuTouch, now is the time to do it.
Can I still use apps from the app store if I use one of those alternative OS’s? I’m not very good with phones and don’t use mine much, but with so many things slowly going phone only I don’t want to cut myself off entirely.
Also, can I use those OS’s on my tablet? Which is best for somebody with decent Linux knowledge but almost no smart phone skills?
Fuck man I cannot buy a new phone right now. All apps I use are from fdroid. I’m kinda fucked ain’t I?
Looking at cad$300 for a pixel 8a to get graphine on it. So sad my galaxy 9 can’t run postmarket, lineage, or anything really.
I guess the pixel 3a (I think that’s the one) with Ubuntu touch could work. Only a hundred it looks like to get that
Welcome to the dependency economy where you can’t afford to not let them fuck you.
I know this won’t be a popular answer, but with my distaste for google, my switch to linux, the rumored google search revamp later this month turning it completely to AI and THIS? I’m going to go to iOS I believe
If you think google is problematic in terms of either control or spying I got serious news for you little buddy.
Just get a Pine Phone or similar linux-based device.
If you are implying iOS is anywhere near the control and spyware of google, you don’t know tech at all.
We’re not implying it, it’s ready fact. That walled garden is more secure against the outside, but you are completely a product to them that gets sold and you’re at the mercy of their appstore. Your data is not securely deleted from their cloud, tons of reports of data deleted years ago coming back, multiple attempts of them to auto-delete offending pictures from your roll with AI and the service being extremely overzealous.
All that did is further my point.
we don’t know what apple does with it, we DO however know exactly what google has done and is doing with it. It’s not just them either, its preinstalled apps on flagship devices. iOS doesn’t have hidden meta files on your phone, and as you said, it is more secure.
So go put your social security number on a billboard, you don’t know what people will do with it.
it only furthers your point if you’re sticking your fingers in your ears and going annanananananananananana
From Google themselves
"We want you to understand the types of information we collect as you use our services
We collect information to provide better services to all our users — from figuring out basic stuff like which language you speak, to more complex things like which ads you’ll find most useful, the people who matter most to you online, or which YouTube videos you might like. The information Google collects, and how that information is used, depends on how you use our services and how you manage your privacy controls.
Google also collects and uses data that is not associated with your account. For example, when you’re not signed in to a Google Account, we store the information we collect with unique identifiers tied to the browser, application, or device you’re using. This allows us to do things like maintain your preferences across browsing sessions, such as your preferred language or whether to show you more relevant search results or ads based on your activity.
When you’re signed in, we also collect information that we store with your Google Account, which we treat as personal information."
source : https://policies.google.com/privacy?hl=en-US#intro
from Apple themselves
"Personal Data Use for Personalized User Experiences
Unlike other gatekeepers, Apple does not use algorithms or profiling to make any decision that would significantly affect its users without the opportunity for human review. Apple does not receive or use any personal data from third parties for any marketing or advertising purposes. Apple does not track its users. "
source: https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/personalized-user-experiences/
Seems Google is very open about using anything possible about their users even when not signed in.
Edit: absolutely hilarious people will argue things, then when presented with facts, they have nothing left but to downvote. That’s the strongest response they have.
Company A enshittifies
Options:
The choice is clear for me.
(btw you can run all android apps on OS built on the android open source project like GrapheneOS or LineageOS. Banking apps also work perfectly on GrapheneOS, don’t know about LineageOS, not using it)
Not entirely clear unfortunately. #2 requires google to continue to allow APKs to just work on the open OS’s. If they decide to require google signed OS components and/or encrypt the APKs, we’ll be at the mercy of the individual developers to continue to compile for FOSS. Banks will be far less likely to release ‘less secure’ versions of their apps to run on ‘aleternative operating systems’
For now, 2 is a good answer, but looking toward the future, stuff is looking a bit bleak. It’ll be a slow downward slide into obsolescence if we can’t keep the developers interested in FOSS support and if they’re no money in it for them, we’ll always end up with the shit end of the stick.
Sad but true. I hope until this happens mobile Linux is a serious alternative.
There is a strong want, dare i say need. Most equipment manufacturers won’t touch it with a 10 ft pole. Motorola seems to be interested.
We need FOSS hardware drivers, a serious kernel power revamp and carriers not to kneecap us like they have in Australia.
yeah, would love to, but last time I checked my phone is not supported
Shit, not even with Lineage? What model is your phone?
Samsung Galaxy A35
Yeah, I just checked Lineage and it’s not on the list.
The problem with Samsung (last time I checked at least) is that the moment you unlock the bootloader (which is needed to install anything other than stock), there’s a flag raised voiding the warranty. That flag from what I know is acting like a hardware fuse, so it’s pretty much non-reversible. Shame, really, because Samsung do have some really nice things in terms of hardware.
Well, It’s also a quite old phone. I was never one to replace something just because newer version is available.
So, there are unsupported builds of Lineage for the phone. Can definitely understand why you wouldn’t want to try that though.
I may try unsupported builds on a phone I don’t use, but for that I would need to buy phone.