Can anyone tell this meme is true or false? I don’t have Gspy so I cannot test this
f-droid’s website https://f-droid.org/ has a link to https://keepandroidopen.org/ which says in Google will lock down Android in September,
If you were planning on reformatting your phone to GrapheneOS, LineageOS, PostmarketOS, or UbuntuTouch, now is the time to do it.
Can I still use apps from the app store if I use one of those alternative OS’s? I’m not very good with phones and don’t use mine much, but with so many things slowly going phone only I don’t want to cut myself off entirely.
Also, can I use those OS’s on my tablet? Which is best for somebody with decent Linux knowledge but almost no smart phone skills?
I know this won’t be a popular answer, but with my distaste for google, my switch to linux, the rumored google search revamp later this month turning it completely to AI and THIS? I’m going to go to iOS I believe
If you think google is problematic in terms of either control or spying I got serious news for you little buddy.
Just get a Pine Phone or similar linux-based device.
If you are implying iOS is anywhere near the control and spyware of google, you don’t know tech at all.
We’re not implying it, it’s ready fact. That walled garden is more secure against the outside, but you are completely a product to them that gets sold and you’re at the mercy of their appstore. Your data is not securely deleted from their cloud, tons of reports of data deleted years ago coming back, multiple attempts of them to auto-delete offending pictures from your roll with AI and the service being extremely overzealous.
All that did is further my point.
we don’t know what apple does with it, we DO however know exactly what google has done and is doing with it. It’s not just them either, its preinstalled apps on flagship devices. iOS doesn’t have hidden meta files on your phone, and as you said, it is more secure.
we don’t know what apple does with it
So go put your social security number on a billboard, you don’t know what people will do with it.
it only furthers your point if you’re sticking your fingers in your ears and going annanananananananananana
From Google themselves
"We want you to understand the types of information we collect as you use our services
We collect information to provide better services to all our users — from figuring out basic stuff like which language you speak, to more complex things like which ads you’ll find most useful, the people who matter most to you online, or which YouTube videos you might like. The information Google collects, and how that information is used, depends on how you use our services and how you manage your privacy controls.
Google also collects and uses data that is not associated with your account. For example, when you’re not signed in to a Google Account, we store the information we collect with unique identifiers tied to the browser, application, or device you’re using. This allows us to do things like maintain your preferences across browsing sessions, such as your preferred language or whether to show you more relevant search results or ads based on your activity.
When you’re signed in, we also collect information that we store with your Google Account, which we treat as personal information."
source : https://policies.google.com/privacy?hl=en-US#intro
from Apple themselves
"Personal Data Use for Personalized User Experiences
Unlike other gatekeepers, Apple does not use algorithms or profiling to make any decision that would significantly affect its users without the opportunity for human review. Apple does not receive or use any personal data from third parties for any marketing or advertising purposes. Apple does not track its users. "
source: https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/personalized-user-experiences/
Seems Google is very open about using anything possible about their users even when not signed in.
Edit: absolutely hilarious people will argue things, then when presented with facts, they have nothing left but to downvote. That’s the strongest response they have.
Company A enshittifies
Options:
- Go to company B and trust them not to enshittify
- Embrace open source (for example GrapheneOS)
The choice is clear for me.
(btw you can run all android apps on OS built on the android open source project like GrapheneOS or LineageOS. Banking apps also work perfectly on GrapheneOS, don’t know about LineageOS, not using it)
The choice is clear for me.
(btw you can run all android apps on OS built on the android open source project like GrapheneOS or LineageOS. Banking apps also work perfectly on GrapheneOS, don’t know about LineageOS, not using it)
Not entirely clear unfortunately. #2 requires google to continue to allow APKs to just work on the open OS’s. If they decide to require google signed OS components and/or encrypt the APKs, we’ll be at the mercy of the individual developers to continue to compile for FOSS. Banks will be far less likely to release ‘less secure’ versions of their apps to run on ‘aleternative operating systems’
For now, 2 is a good answer, but looking toward the future, stuff is looking a bit bleak. It’ll be a slow downward slide into obsolescence if we can’t keep the developers interested in FOSS support and if they’re no money in it for them, we’ll always end up with the shit end of the stick.
Sad but true. I hope until this happens mobile Linux is a serious alternative.
There is a strong want, dare i say need. Most equipment manufacturers won’t touch it with a 10 ft pole. Motorola seems to be interested.
We need FOSS hardware drivers, a serious kernel power revamp and carriers not to kneecap us like they have in Australia.
Fuck man I cannot buy a new phone right now. All apps I use are from fdroid. I’m kinda fucked ain’t I?
Looking at cad$300 for a pixel 8a to get graphine on it. So sad my galaxy 9 can’t run postmarket, lineage, or anything really.
I guess the pixel 3a (I think that’s the one) with Ubuntu touch could work. Only a hundred it looks like to get that
Welcome to the dependency economy where you can’t afford to not let them fuck you.
yeah, would love to, but last time I checked my phone is not supported
Shit, not even with Lineage? What model is your phone?
Samsung Galaxy A35
Yeah, I just checked Lineage and it’s not on the list.
So, there are unsupported builds of Lineage for the phone. Can definitely understand why you wouldn’t want to try that though.
I may try unsupported builds on a phone I don’t use, but for that I would need to buy phone.
The problem with Samsung (last time I checked at least) is that the moment you unlock the bootloader (which is needed to install anything other than stock), there’s a flag raised voiding the warranty. That flag from what I know is acting like a hardware fuse, so it’s pretty much non-reversible. Shame, really, because Samsung do have some really nice things in terms of hardware.
Well, It’s also a quite old phone. I was never one to replace something just because newer version is available.
Don’t know about Google home, but google meet is definitely like this. You mute your mic from the UI, you speak, and a small popup tells you something like, “are you trying to speak, your mic is off”.
Something like this also happened on Short Circuit (a channel of Linus Tech Tips) when testing Meta Glasses. Riley, the host was talking to it, and after the convo ended, he asked, “are you still listening?” And meta replied, “No”.
So, yes, it is safe to assume that the microphones are always listening and probably recording. These things are spywares and do not belong in private places like homes.
Muting microphone in a meeting is very different, the point is you don’t want other attendees to hear you, not the meeting software.
Otherwise agreed, the only way this can be 100% trusted is using a hw switch, which we won’t find on any phones and only a handful of laptops.Guys, ten or hundred of thousands security researchers have been going at this for years. Google isn’t secretly listening to you.
These things work with 2 mics, and 2 different circuits. The recording mic is one, while the detection mic is another. The second mic is only capable of pattern matching.
So yeah it’s on but only capable of hashing a 5 second recording and matching it to your voice (this shit works a lot like rsa keys if that’s helpful) to serve as a wake word. Maybe flag a simple response.
All that’s happening is the device heard a loud sound and knows it wasn’t a match or what’s expected.
Every time someone comes out and says that the phones aren’t secretly listening to us, I gotta tell this story.
I was at one time practicing therapy in a University. We did charity work, and I was providing therapy to a homeless man. This homeless man did not have a phone, or any electronic devices of any kind. We kept in contact via email, and he would use library computers in order to connect with us.
While providing therapy for him, the only electronic devices in the room are a batter operated digital clock, a battery operated voice recording device, and my own cell phone, locked and inactive. Nothing but my cell phone is connected to wifi or internet of any kind.
During session one day, he started talking about wanting to move to another country. We hold our usual session, with plenty of talk about moving to that country specifically. Once the session is over, we say goodbye and he goes on his way. I go back to my desk, and within an hour or so, scrolling on my phone, I’m getting advertisements for flights and vacations to that exact country. I had never gotten advertisements to that country before, or even for much travel in general.
So how do we explain it? The most common answer is “Oh, well he used his phone to look up flights and stuff, and google detected that your phones were near each other, and must have assumed that you would talk about it.”
Except the other man did not have a phone, nor did he have any way for Google to tell that he was near me after having looked it up at a local library. There was no way for Google to be able to tell that he was coming to our office at all unless it was reading his emails, and even then, it couldn’t know that he was talking to me specifically, such that I would get the targeted ads and none of my colleagues would.
Nobody can give me an explanation for what happened other than my phone was actively listening to the conversation. I’m definitely open to alternatives, I promise. Nobody has been able to explain it.
I get ads in Spanish if my phone hears me use a rotary saw a lot. I used to think it was from working near Spanish-speaking work crews, or purchasing lumber, but it’s happened from isolated backyard projects using materials that had been bought with cash weeks prior. The adbots are listening, and they think power tool noises are a dialect of Spanish.
If he or you have a gmail account, Google reads your emails.
Irrelevant considering the travel conversation didn’t happen over gmail
You’ll have to forgive me if I don’t believe that those fuckers are being honest and open with our data.
That’s the neat thing, you don’t have to believe: the researchers proved that it works like that.
Of course that only applies to the models they tested, and not future ones, but still.
That’s the neat part. You don’t. There is an entire industry of devs trying to be the guy who conclusively proved all the companies are actually recording you.
It’s far too easy to change the software that drives that. For example, in order to minimize blatant power drain the trigger mic could easily become a switch that activates the main mic only when human voices are detected (or even specific voices). With authoritarian governments on the rise — along with the more than willing corporations backing them — I don’t think a bit of paranoia regarding the possibility is unwarranted.
ETA: Also there’s nothing saying the hardware can’t be updated for newer capabilities without anyone on the outside knowing. It’d be pretty easy to get away with once everyone gets lulled into a false sense of security regarding how they work.
Which is why shit is continuously tested. Guys, billions of dollars goes into this. It’s not hard to find extra data pushed into packets. Far more complex shit is the norm.
Hey, wiretap
i love all the hate google gets
Peace be with you 🌹. I could really feel that this sentence came straight from the heart 😂😂. Jokes aside, same here✋🏻😐. I hate them too.
Well if that ain’t the most AI response of all time
The funny thing, I really use an AI for translation because my English on its own sucks. 😂 So you are right. Peace be with you 🌹😁
You should use it to help you, but don’t just copy paste the outputs, you’ll never learn for yourself that way 😭
Peace be with you 🌹 I know, and dont worry, this time I typing without AI.😁 The Things is “to undestand” is easy for me, but speaking an writing?.. There a lot of problems, like the past and present rules. When I translated a word exactly how its use on german, its sound weird in english. So I use the AI, to help me, and so you can better undestand me. But believe it or not, this english , is my “good” english😂😂. Couple years ago , it was much worser, but i starting to watch Supernatural on English with german subtitels. That helps me a lot. And i swear by God, this time I dont use an AI. So what you think? Is my english bad or not?😁.
Is it perfect? No. But I understand everything you said! Personally, I’d rather you do your best and make mistakes than read stiff AI generated text. That and your English is a hell of a lot better than my German :). If any English speakers call you out on your writing, at least you’re actually multilingual, while they probably only speak English.
I’ve actually been learning Japanese for a couple of years now and what I like to do is write out what I want to say first, run it through an AI to correct it, then see why and how I messed it up to try to improve. Maybe that also just makes me sound like a robot though 😂
😂😂No, im sure you dont sound like a robot. And its awesome that you learning Japanesse. Its a hard language for me. I can say just the classic words like “arigato” and “watashi…” All the words, that i learned from the Animes 😅 Jep, im an Anime-fan✊🏻. But you are right. Making Mistakes a better as a AI generated Text. And i swear : This comment is written with NO AI too 😊✊🏻. Arigatto Nikki🌹🌹 Peace be with you
The meme makes it sound like they turn off the server transmit feature. Though I also could believe this meme being false as well. “Ok Google” detection runs locally on the device as training a model to detect that and only that accurately without a server is easy to do and costs a lot less than having every device continuously transmitting the microphone. So it’s possible mute just disables transmission to the Internet rather than the mic.
