• blackbeans@lemmy.zip
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    16 hours ago

    Seems logical, China being the second largest trading partner for Europe, empowering consumers with cheap products and affordable electric cars. Meanwhile the only thing the US is empowering is genocides and inflation.

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    15 hours ago

    I guess this is so in many more places, we look at the world and wonder who has power. Most Europeans will see two big players: China and the US.

    China (unlike Russia) was never a true enemy, but neither ever a true ally. It has been going back and forth between a dependable business partner and a hostile state, stealing technological secrets, overflowing our market with unsafe low-cost goods.

    The US behaved like a dependable friend for a long time. They did things we (‘the rest of the west’) didn’t like, but they also helped us out all the time. Obvious to anyone here, this is no longer the case. We cannot predict whether their next policy will help or hurt us, the only thing we can say for sure it will be whatever works best for them. That’s not the behaviour of an ally.

    I sincerely wonder what the future holds. China doesn’t have to be an enemy of the west and vice versa. But i guess we (or actually, each world leader) all have to choose how we position ourselves on the global stage.

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      12 hours ago

      China has only its own interests in mind. They don’t care about anyone else.

      Not that America is very different.

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      13 hours ago

      I agree with you except for "the only thing we can say for sure it will be whatever works best for them. " Too often lately US policy hurts US interests as well (giving Argentina billions of dollars to support their beef industry, for example).

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        12 hours ago

        Yeah it’s no longer a question of what is in America’s interests, it’s now what is in the interests of a small number of billionaires who control the US govt. If it gives power or money to the Fanta Felon and his henchmen that’s the choice they’ll make.

        Your Argentina example is exactly that - he doesnt mind hurting Americans if it helps his cronies

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      16 hours ago

      As a black page in our history that happened before our time.

      So about the same as how Germans view the Nazis. Or Americans see the transatlantic slave trade.

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        16 hours ago

        Given Germany’s uncritical embrace of Israel, it’s pretty clear that the Nazis have not been forgotten.

        The problem is that instead of learning to guard against fascism, Germany’s lesson was that Israel is above criticism.

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        15 hours ago

        Well to be fair, it literally was still happening in our parents’ or grandparents’ time. People born in 1940 were still involved in the kidnapping of Congolese children and bringing them to belgium, and the issue of racism here is still extremely prevelant and widespread.

        But yes, we try to bury it here like there Americans do about slavery. Germans are far more open about the Nazis and get far, far more education about it in school.

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          15 hours ago

          Imo the Germans really deserve props with how they treat their black page, compared to how other countries around them still try to hide what they did during colonial times (which to some extent, continues to present day)