Like was it a meaningful debate or a flat out flame war? And what was the main theme you were arguing over?

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    8 days ago

    The term genocide implies the intent to eradicate a people. While Russia has definitely used genocidal language in the past, I wouldn’t necessarily go as far as to claim that this is what they’re actually intending to do. As far as I can tell, they just want to conquer the land and rule over the people there.

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      8 days ago

      If you look at what they did in some of the territories they have now left, like Bucha, and at their abduction of Ukrainian children to then be russified, there are definitely genocidal aspects to the war.

      The purpose of the whole war is not genocide, but within it are acts constituting genocide.

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        7 days ago

        There is a meaningful difference between:

        1. Russia committing specific acts that could legally qualify as genocidal, and
        2. The war as a whole being accurately described as a genocide.

        Under international law, genocide requires the specific intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. This is a very high bar. It’s not enough to show that terrible things are happening to a group. You need to show that the perpetrator’s goal is the destruction of the group.

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          Under international law, genocide requires the specific intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group.

          Yes, and stealing their children and forcing them into your culture fits that description as it has several times in human history, including with Residential Schools in North America.

          It’s cultural eradication.

          I’m honestly not sure if I would call the overarching conflict a genocide, but Russia is absolutely doing genocidal things with the intent of eradicating Ukrainian culture from the contested regions.