See what I said below. Or just answer this one last question I asked below: Do you think she would have appointed far-right Supreme Court justices that would end Roe v. Wade and done other massive damage since the three Trump appointed were confirmed?
far right no, centrist right leaning? absolutely. democrats campaigned for republicans in texas and Minnesota because they were progressive left, not toe the line corporate democrats. why didn’t obama codify roe as law when he had the change for years? because it’s a cash cow. “vote for us to save abortion rights!” now roe is overturned, “vote for us to fight for ablution rights!” they could havw solved that issue.
So better than Trump? Wouldn’t have overturned Roe? Sounds like a better choice then. Or do you think abortion rights aren’t incredibly important?
Also, when did Obama have the majority of pro-choice votes in congress to codify it? In the six months when they had a majority? Joe Donnelly was in the senate, which was in a razor thing margin, and he was pro-life. As were a couple of other Democrats at the time. The idea that he could have codified Roe is nonsense.
Yes, they have done nothing to prevent SCOTUS justices that Trump put in place to end Roe. Because they weren’t president at the time. Also, there was never a time when Democrats had the votes to codify Roe. If you can point to a time when Democrats had a pro-choice majority (you cannot count majorities when there were pro-life Democrats making it up), I would like to know when it was.
Are you suggesting that they shouldn’t campaign on saving abortion rights, or that they won’t save abortion rights when elected? Because those are braindead takes. The Rs will absolutely remove abortions at a federal level, so, by default, voting D saves what little abortion rights there are, even if they did nothing, which they fucking won’t.
What good do you think codifying roe as law would have done? Republicans would have repealed it in 2017 when they got the White House and Congress back.
Abortions rights were only protected as a matter of the Constitution, which meant not having a heavy conservative Supreme Court.
What good do you think codifying roe as law would have done? Republicans would have repealed it in 2017 when they got the White House and Congress back.
We’re now seeing what happens when Republicans do that. Maybe Biden would have a bigger majority in his first two years. Maybe he’d still have a majority in the house now.
But we always have to legislate based on what Republicans might do.
The way it unfolds matters. Consider this scenario:
Democrats pass a federal law protecting abortion rights sometime around 2009 or '10. Lots of compromise goes down; maybe it only protects the first trimester, but it’s something.
On top of all other Tea Party rhetoric (which led to a wave election for them in 2010 as it was), they also make abortion more of an issue. Except because it was Democrats who actively did something, Republicans get to turn the narrative on them.
Republicans repeal this law whenever they next have the power to do so. They don’t get punished by voters, at least not much, because they specifically ran on it. Besides, at least for now, Constitutional law still blocks the worst abortion bans.
What actually happened was that Republicans caused a series of events that completely removes Constitutional protections, and then promptly passed laws (sometimes before the Supreme Court actually ruled!) taking advantage of the new situation. That’s huge, and voters are punishing that severely. Doubly so because many of the state bans have no exceptions for life of the mother or other things that voters support. The severe pushback wouldn’t apply to repealing a law that would likely have been a compromise, anyway, and also all the state-level stuff stays as it is.
About the best thing you can say about the current situation is that Republicans overplayed their hand, and voters are killing them in elections they “should” have won. The above is more of a tit-for-tat that isn’t going to enrage voters against either side.
Roll it back to earlier in the discussion. People use this as a talking point for why you shouldn’t bother voting for Democrats, “because they didn’t pass a law protecting abortion rights”. That’s dumb. It wouldn’t have done shit, and is a bad reason to let Republicans take control of everything. That’s what I’m replying to.
See what I said below. Or just answer this one last question I asked below: Do you think she would have appointed far-right Supreme Court justices that would end Roe v. Wade and done other massive damage since the three Trump appointed were confirmed?
far right no, centrist right leaning? absolutely. democrats campaigned for republicans in texas and Minnesota because they were progressive left, not toe the line corporate democrats. why didn’t obama codify roe as law when he had the change for years? because it’s a cash cow. “vote for us to save abortion rights!” now roe is overturned, “vote for us to fight for ablution rights!” they could havw solved that issue.
So better than Trump? Wouldn’t have overturned Roe? Sounds like a better choice then. Or do you think abortion rights aren’t incredibly important?
Also, when did Obama have the majority of pro-choice votes in congress to codify it? In the six months when they had a majority? Joe Donnelly was in the senate, which was in a razor thing margin, and he was pro-life. As were a couple of other Democrats at the time. The idea that he could have codified Roe is nonsense.
you understand THEY HAVE DONE FUCKING NOTHING TO PROTECT ABORTION RIGHTS right? you do understand that, right?
Except for all the state level protections that are now going into effect, even in deep red states.
Yes, they have done nothing to prevent SCOTUS justices that Trump put in place to end Roe. Because they weren’t president at the time. Also, there was never a time when Democrats had the votes to codify Roe. If you can point to a time when Democrats had a pro-choice majority (you cannot count majorities when there were pro-life Democrats making it up), I would like to know when it was.
It’s like you can’t see how A leads to B.
Are you suggesting that they shouldn’t campaign on saving abortion rights, or that they won’t save abortion rights when elected? Because those are braindead takes. The Rs will absolutely remove abortions at a federal level, so, by default, voting D saves what little abortion rights there are, even if they did nothing, which they fucking won’t.
What good do you think codifying roe as law would have done? Republicans would have repealed it in 2017 when they got the White House and Congress back.
Abortions rights were only protected as a matter of the Constitution, which meant not having a heavy conservative Supreme Court.
We’re now seeing what happens when Republicans do that. Maybe Biden would have a bigger majority in his first two years. Maybe he’d still have a majority in the house now.
But we always have to legislate based on what Republicans might do.
The way it unfolds matters. Consider this scenario:
What actually happened was that Republicans caused a series of events that completely removes Constitutional protections, and then promptly passed laws (sometimes before the Supreme Court actually ruled!) taking advantage of the new situation. That’s huge, and voters are punishing that severely. Doubly so because many of the state bans have no exceptions for life of the mother or other things that voters support. The severe pushback wouldn’t apply to repealing a law that would likely have been a compromise, anyway, and also all the state-level stuff stays as it is.
About the best thing you can say about the current situation is that Republicans overplayed their hand, and voters are killing them in elections they “should” have won. The above is more of a tit-for-tat that isn’t going to enrage voters against either side.
“Never do anything. Think of what Republicans might say.”
Nonsense. How you do it matters. This plan would not have worked.
Centrists say that about any plan that isn’t “move to the right.”
Roll it back to earlier in the discussion. People use this as a talking point for why you shouldn’t bother voting for Democrats, “because they didn’t pass a law protecting abortion rights”. That’s dumb. It wouldn’t have done shit, and is a bad reason to let Republicans take control of everything. That’s what I’m replying to.