GOOD. I know this bullshit isn’t Sheeran’s fault personally, and I honestly don’t blame him for trying to stay neutral, much as I disagree with it, but the musicians need to put pressure on the asshole rich people trying to force their opinion$ and their propping up Israel onto us.
Are we having the same conversation? The promotors and stadium owners are the ones who got Macklemore kicked, and i flat out said I disagreed with Sheeran not taking a stance. I’m perfectly capable of speaking for myself, you don’t need to make up things for me to say.
Ed Sheeran has enough wealth and fame he could have told the stadium owners and promoters to go fuck themselves. It would have been the right thing to do just to support his friend Macklemore. It is immensely more correct to do it to be a voice against genocide. So while Ed may not have been the original source of the problem, he is still very much part of the problem.
And even if the tour was cancelled because he took a stand, he absolutely could have turned around and started a new tour. And likely sold out any concerts based on his existing fame and the additional press this has generated. Now he is lumped with every other greedy pos that decided money was more important than lives.
Genocide. He should feel strongly about genocide and act uppn those feelings. Curse him for a coward. He is rich, he would be fine. Children are dying in misery and he gets to decide he is neutral. No.
Buddy, it’s not my job to tell other people what they should think. I said I disagreed with him, that’s the maximum I feel like I should care about someone else’s opinion.
Let’s try a more blatant example for clarification, imagine you said the following about someone who murdered his wife:
“personally I don’t blame him for killing his bitch of a wife, although I disagree”
the issue here is that you, like Sheeran, seem to think that staying neutral on genocide is being neutral even though you clearly know better than that… what you said armounts to “I would have done the same as Sheeran, if I were in his shoes”
You are putting a whole lot of words I did not say in my mouth. I said I understood why Sheeran was staying neutral, he’s trying to play the whole " I’m an artist for all people" blah blah bullshit. And I said I disagreed with it. It’s really common for musicians to do that, because they want ALL fans. One of the reasons I like Macklemore is that he doesn’t do that and is willing to put his career on the line for it. The fact that just trying to say “I understand why someone did something even if I don’t like it” still gets bombarded is pretty fucked up.
You are putting a whole lot of words I did not say in my mouth
Correct, and I warned in advance I was doing that to exemplify the point… I even warned I was being exaggerated about it
It’s really common for musicians to do that, because they want ALL fans.
Again, the issue here is that not taking a side in a genocide is taking the side for genocide
another example: no reasonable person would judge you if a bar fight start between two giants and you decide to not get involved… however, any reasonable person would judge you if you see a grown man beating a toddler and you don’t even call 911
The fact that just trying to say “I understand why someone did something even if I don’t like it” still gets bombarded is pretty fucked up.
Again, it’s not a normal thing you are understanding from Sheeran here… in my example above, I don’t think most people would be chill if I said “I disagree with beating the crap oot of toddlers, but I understand letting it happen and moving on”
People talk like this but still fund the nations paying for the wars daily.
You’re no different Ed Sheeran in this regard if you live within a nation sending funds and weapons to Israel.
All people still sitting pretty and talking drama about this war while still funding their nations are the enemy. And that includes me too but if you want to actually make change you must understand we fuel it just by living in these nations, we are backbone their evil.
All the trending drama sounds like people complaining about a refs call in football game. You’re spectators, you bought a ticket to watch the game, you bitch about a call, but all that money is still going to fund the game (war in Palestine or anywhere).
Humanity is in the palm of evil world wide. Every one is going to hell.
Nations are tools for wealthy to use, and we are the cattle working to make there dreams and war come alive…just by working and paying tax. They want division, they want the dramas like the one above to happen… You are fueling division by participating.
This is not a war, it is a fucking genocide. This scum Ed Sheeran is concerned that raising a flag and saying Free Palestine hurts the feelings of Zionists who talk like Nazis. Opposing showing a Palestinian flag is genocidal; it is a rejection of Palestinians’ right to self-determination.
If you are bitching about people opposing this idiot and defending his shitty position, then it is you who consider genocide like a football game.
You are defending his position by claiming that it is a matter of subjectivity. His position is to suppress anti genocide boice by claiming it hurt zinonazis feeling this is objectively wrong
You’re saying being impartial to the genocide of Palestinians in Gaza, where nearly half of them are children, is not his fault?
You don’t blame him for falling to condemn the murder, starvation, rape, and torture of an entire People?
In what possible way could he be absolved of his responsibility? If anything, he’s even more responsible to speak out against it given the privilege he has been granted with his platform.
Okay ignoring the fact that you clearly don’t know or comprehend what your original comment said…
Unless Ed said ‘if they go, I go’ it’s literally his fault. He didn’t do what’s within his power to stand up against, again, the LITERAL GENOCIDE of a predominantly CHILD population.
He is complicit. It’s his fault. He is personally responsible.
It’s not a very difficult concept to understand.
And before you say shit about contracts or whatever else, he has an estimated net worth of nearly half a billion dollars. More money than an individual or family could need in several lifetimes.
I’d ask you to avoid changing the subject but you’ve never really been on subject. Even Macklemore said he didn’t blame Sheeran, so maybe you should stop being so offended on someone else’s behalf.
What a pithy and well reasoned attempt to ignore the fact that your entire argument is claiming Sheeran did something even Macklemore says he didn’t do. You sure got me.
GOOD. I know this bullshit isn’t Sheeran’s fault personally, and I honestly don’t blame him for trying to stay neutral, much as I disagree with it, but the musicians need to put pressure on the asshole rich people trying to force their opinion$ and their propping up Israel onto us.
Fence-sitting on genocide is squarely “his fault,” and an unforced error
Are we having the same conversation? The promotors and stadium owners are the ones who got Macklemore kicked, and i flat out said I disagreed with Sheeran not taking a stance. I’m perfectly capable of speaking for myself, you don’t need to make up things for me to say.
Ed Sheeran has enough wealth and fame he could have told the stadium owners and promoters to go fuck themselves. It would have been the right thing to do just to support his friend Macklemore. It is immensely more correct to do it to be a voice against genocide. So while Ed may not have been the original source of the problem, he is still very much part of the problem.
And even if the tour was cancelled because he took a stand, he absolutely could have turned around and started a new tour. And likely sold out any concerts based on his existing fame and the additional press this has generated. Now he is lumped with every other greedy pos that decided money was more important than lives.
Cool. Everyone else does.
Funny how you cropped out the part right after where I said I disagreed with him doing that.
Funny how you contradicted your self and you’re upset people point it out.
Right, but you don’t blame him. You should blame him for his cowardice.
Well apparently unlike you I don’t think it’s my personal province to make decisions for other people or tell them how they should feel about things.
Genocide. He should feel strongly about genocide and act uppn those feelings. Curse him for a coward. He is rich, he would be fine. Children are dying in misery and he gets to decide he is neutral. No.
I agree with all of that and never claimed otherwise, God fucking forbid I have the maturity to understand his motives without agreeing with it.
You make it look like it is subjective but it is not
Buddy, it’s not my job to tell other people what they should think. I said I disagreed with him, that’s the maximum I feel like I should care about someone else’s opinion.
Being critical of peoples thought and actions is not telling them how to think. It’s telling them how you think.
I literally said I disagreed with Sheeran, explain to me what level of being critical you expect from me?
I think it is everybody job to completely object genocide
I think that’s different though bud…
Let’s try a more blatant example for clarification, imagine you said the following about someone who murdered his wife:
“personally I don’t blame him for killing his bitch of a wife, although I disagree”
the issue here is that you, like Sheeran, seem to think that staying neutral on genocide is being neutral even though you clearly know better than that… what you said armounts to “I would have done the same as Sheeran, if I were in his shoes”
You are putting a whole lot of words I did not say in my mouth. I said I understood why Sheeran was staying neutral, he’s trying to play the whole " I’m an artist for all people" blah blah bullshit. And I said I disagreed with it. It’s really common for musicians to do that, because they want ALL fans. One of the reasons I like Macklemore is that he doesn’t do that and is willing to put his career on the line for it. The fact that just trying to say “I understand why someone did something even if I don’t like it” still gets bombarded is pretty fucked up.
Correct, and I warned in advance I was doing that to exemplify the point… I even warned I was being exaggerated about it
Again, the issue here is that not taking a side in a genocide is taking the side for genocide
another example: no reasonable person would judge you if a bar fight start between two giants and you decide to not get involved… however, any reasonable person would judge you if you see a grown man beating a toddler and you don’t even call 911
Again, it’s not a normal thing you are understanding from Sheeran here… in my example above, I don’t think most people would be chill if I said “I disagree with beating the crap oot of toddlers, but I understand letting it happen and moving on”
He rightfully took side in Russian war of aggression of Ukraine. Stop with your bullshit excuses
Only if you promise to stop with your bullshit whataboutisms.
Your not crazy man. These people are psychopaths, lol. I bet they aren’t even conscious enough to feel their own face.
Too much privilege makes people less than human.
Ed has all the privileges. He could be completely cancelled and still live a normal life for the rest of his life yet you come here defending him
Bruh. The MAIN takeaway from this incident is that not taking sides, is taking sides.
Get a clue.
He said to Mac that holding an, Palestinian flag hurt many people feeling. It is Ed fault personally
Unless Ed personally kicked him off the tour no, that’s not how words work. I flat out said I disagreed with Sheeran trying not to take a stand.
He rejected palestinians right to exist by condemning Mac use of a palestinians flag. He did not take no side he took the side of genocide
People talk like this but still fund the nations paying for the wars daily.
You’re no different Ed Sheeran in this regard if you live within a nation sending funds and weapons to Israel.
All people still sitting pretty and talking drama about this war while still funding their nations are the enemy. And that includes me too but if you want to actually make change you must understand we fuel it just by living in these nations, we are backbone their evil.
All the trending drama sounds like people complaining about a refs call in football game. You’re spectators, you bought a ticket to watch the game, you bitch about a call, but all that money is still going to fund the game (war in Palestine or anywhere).
Humanity is in the palm of evil world wide. Every one is going to hell.
Nations are tools for wealthy to use, and we are the cattle working to make there dreams and war come alive…just by working and paying tax. They want division, they want the dramas like the one above to happen… You are fueling division by participating.
Aww I was betting we’d get here in 4 hours and it only took 2. I guess I owe you a coke
This is not a war, it is a fucking genocide. This scum Ed Sheeran is concerned that raising a flag and saying Free Palestine hurts the feelings of Zionists who talk like Nazis. Opposing showing a Palestinian flag is genocidal; it is a rejection of Palestinians’ right to self-determination.
If you are bitching about people opposing this idiot and defending his shitty position, then it is you who consider genocide like a football game.
“I understand why he said something and disagree with it” = defending his position. Ok buddy.
You are defending his position by claiming that it is a matter of subjectivity. His position is to suppress anti genocide boice by claiming it hurt zinonazis feeling this is objectively wrong
That is not my position. I never said that and you are trying very hard not to admit that.
You’re saying being impartial to the genocide of Palestinians in Gaza, where nearly half of them are children, is not his fault?
You don’t blame him for falling to condemn the murder, starvation, rape, and torture of an entire People?
In what possible way could he be absolved of his responsibility? If anything, he’s even more responsible to speak out against it given the privilege he has been granted with his platform.
Well I didn’t say any of that or anything close to that. Were you just waiting to offer up that rant?
You literally said, verbatim, ‘it’s not his fault’ and ‘i don’t blame him’ so idk what you’re really looking for out of this response.
Macklemore getting booted is not his fault, ffs you have to really bend over backward to try to interpret what I said differently.
Okay ignoring the fact that you clearly don’t know or comprehend what your original comment said…
Unless Ed said ‘if they go, I go’ it’s literally his fault. He didn’t do what’s within his power to stand up against, again, the LITERAL GENOCIDE of a predominantly CHILD population.
He is complicit. It’s his fault. He is personally responsible.
It’s not a very difficult concept to understand.
And before you say shit about contracts or whatever else, he has an estimated net worth of nearly half a billion dollars. More money than an individual or family could need in several lifetimes.
I’d ask you to avoid changing the subject but you’ve never really been on subject. Even Macklemore said he didn’t blame Sheeran, so maybe you should stop being so offended on someone else’s behalf.
Hey, you know what you’re right. Since we’re going off topic here’s a link you will evidently find useful, https://learningcenter.unc.edu/tips-and-tools/reading-comprehension-tips/
How dare you this trainwreck of a comment thread has been so entertaining
Booooooo.
What a pithy and well reasoned attempt to ignore the fact that your entire argument is claiming Sheeran did something even Macklemore says he didn’t do. You sure got me.