"It's called precedent," the Senate Judiciary Committee chair said of violating the same rule that Republicans ignored to move forward with judicial nominees.
Us continuing to call the GOP dumb and children is giving them cover. They are (mostly) intelligent adults hellbent on destroying our culture and undoing decades of progress, mostly through legal means.
If we keep pretending they are not then it gives them more cover to bitch and moan when the Democrats do anything remotely similar to prevent or undo the damage, which is not NEARLY enough.
Right? These people are seditionists and traitors, calling them dumb children just provides them cover as they try to force their bastardized Christian hegemony on the rest of us.
The sad thing is you’re both right. The Democrats ARE the only adults in the room, but they’re still also self-serving asshats. Do not forget how friendly Dems are with big business. Do not forget how friendly Democrats are with the insurance industry. Do not forget how much they sit on their hands…
Democrats ARE adults… but they aren’t good adults. Yes, we need less children in the room before we can more easily suss out who the competent adults are.
But let’s not pretend every adult in the government is competent simply because Republicans enjoy shitting their pants.
Based on all the weird downvotes in this thread, it seems Lemmy might be losing its taste for subtlety.
You are absolutely right that most are a bunch of self-serving asshats. In my experience, the sign of a mature adult is someone who can admit when they’re wrong and do the right thing even when it’s less convenient than doing the wrong thing. Dems do the wrong thing a lot, and calling them out on it is one of the few ways we can force change. They also do the right thing way more often than the GOP. Dem’s corruption often seems less flagrant than the GOP’s because they couch it in neoliberal pro-business language. It’s still corruption, and the GOP is still way worse. Both things can be true.
Based on all the weird downvotes in this thread, it seems Lemmy might be losing its taste for subtlety.
Threads criticizing neoliberals always get a suspicious amount of downvotes relative to the amount of rebuttals. It’s almost as if the people doing it hate your criticism, but can’t articulate any reason you’re wrong.
Nah, folks that are center-left are tired of the same out-group/in-group games. Not far enough left? Then one is practically in bed with fascists. It is tiresome, and plenty of folks are weary of laying out the difference in lieu of having meaningful discussions.
Threads criticizing neoliberals always get a suspicious amount of downvotes relative to the amount of rebuttals.
Even your own comment has the whiff of conspiracy where it need not be.
Yea… It’s really sad when people turn it in to team sports. One side being really bad does not magically make the other “team” the good guys… They’re both fucking awful representative parties unless you make a healthy six figures or more, which of course is a small minority of the populous they’re supposed to represent…
Then people come in here and act like Biden is Jesus for making a union deal right after crushing a union strike… Smacks so much of everyone sucking Obama off for the ACA when it’s LITERALLY a Republican plan from the 90s.
People need to remember who the Democrats actually are. There’s a reason they have a tepid response to the rise of fascism.
No one is calling the Democrats perfect or suggesting they couldn’t be better. But they are demonstrably better than the GOP, even if that’s a low bar. They consistently pass legislation and enact policies to the benefit of the whole nation, not just the donor class.
When the complaint is that they’re not good enough, they’re being blamed for not catering exclusively to the progressive base the way Republicans cater to theirs. Which refutes the notion that “both sides are the same” on its own.
Yes, we should hold their feet to the fire and convince them to do better. But we should do it without boosting Republican talking points like “both sides.” Better to say “they’re good, but they could be better.”
Precisely. Republicans refuse to govern and so those in the middle and on the left are challenged with moving the country forward while preserving the very institutions that “conservatives” once held sacrosanct and are now railing to dismantle.
Better blame the Dems for not snapping the political order into something completely different by fiat.
Mostly due to the current world kerfufles… but I agree in principal. I’m not fond of nearly any dems in leadership but I want them in power so that we can focus efforts on fixing the party rather than an existential crisis to democracy.
It was meant somewhat tongue in cheek, I realize the parties are miles apart. However, if the entire republican party disappeared, we’d still have a shitshow of a government.
Right, which is why I said I’d prefer them… You’re proving my point, swimming in shit is nearly as bad as bobbing for fries in it. Personally if I’m submerged in shit, I’m not that concerned with getting some in my mouth, I need the fuck out of the shit.
Braindead comment. Dems suck nowhere near as bad as Republicans! Literally comparing adults to children.
What makes you think they’re even remotely comparable?
Us continuing to call the GOP dumb and children is giving them cover. They are (mostly) intelligent adults hellbent on destroying our culture and undoing decades of progress, mostly through legal means.
If we keep pretending they are not then it gives them more cover to bitch and moan when the Democrats do anything remotely similar to prevent or undo the damage, which is not NEARLY enough.
Right? These people are seditionists and traitors, calling them dumb children just provides them cover as they try to force their bastardized Christian hegemony on the rest of us.
The sad thing is you’re both right. The Democrats ARE the only adults in the room, but they’re still also self-serving asshats. Do not forget how friendly Dems are with big business. Do not forget how friendly Democrats are with the insurance industry. Do not forget how much they sit on their hands…
Democrats ARE adults… but they aren’t good adults. Yes, we need less children in the room before we can more easily suss out who the competent adults are.
But let’s not pretend every adult in the government is competent simply because Republicans enjoy shitting their pants.
Based on all the weird downvotes in this thread, it seems Lemmy might be losing its taste for subtlety.
You are absolutely right that most are a bunch of self-serving asshats. In my experience, the sign of a mature adult is someone who can admit when they’re wrong and do the right thing even when it’s less convenient than doing the wrong thing. Dems do the wrong thing a lot, and calling them out on it is one of the few ways we can force change. They also do the right thing way more often than the GOP. Dem’s corruption often seems less flagrant than the GOP’s because they couch it in neoliberal pro-business language. It’s still corruption, and the GOP is still way worse. Both things can be true.
Threads criticizing neoliberals always get a suspicious amount of downvotes relative to the amount of rebuttals. It’s almost as if the people doing it hate your criticism, but can’t articulate any reason you’re wrong.
Nah, folks that are center-left are tired of the same out-group/in-group games. Not far enough left? Then one is practically in bed with fascists. It is tiresome, and plenty of folks are weary of laying out the difference in lieu of having meaningful discussions.
Even your own comment has the whiff of conspiracy where it need not be.
Yea… It’s really sad when people turn it in to team sports. One side being really bad does not magically make the other “team” the good guys… They’re both fucking awful representative parties unless you make a healthy six figures or more, which of course is a small minority of the populous they’re supposed to represent…
Then people come in here and act like Biden is Jesus for making a union deal right after crushing a union strike… Smacks so much of everyone sucking Obama off for the ACA when it’s LITERALLY a Republican plan from the 90s.
People need to remember who the Democrats actually are. There’s a reason they have a tepid response to the rise of fascism.
No one is calling the Democrats perfect or suggesting they couldn’t be better. But they are demonstrably better than the GOP, even if that’s a low bar. They consistently pass legislation and enact policies to the benefit of the whole nation, not just the donor class.
When the complaint is that they’re not good enough, they’re being blamed for not catering exclusively to the progressive base the way Republicans cater to theirs. Which refutes the notion that “both sides are the same” on its own.
Yes, we should hold their feet to the fire and convince them to do better. But we should do it without boosting Republican talking points like “both sides.” Better to say “they’re good, but they could be better.”
Precisely. Republicans refuse to govern and so those in the middle and on the left are challenged with moving the country forward while preserving the very institutions that “conservatives” once held sacrosanct and are now railing to dismantle.
Better blame the Dems for not snapping the political order into something completely different by fiat.
And those in the center keep stopping those on the left from doing so.
Mostly due to the current world kerfufles… but I agree in principal. I’m not fond of nearly any dems in leadership but I want them in power so that we can focus efforts on fixing the party rather than an existential crisis to democracy.
It was meant somewhat tongue in cheek, I realize the parties are miles apart. However, if the entire republican party disappeared, we’d still have a shitshow of a government.
…but one that wouldn’t base their entire platform on being the fourth Reich.
Swimming in shit is still better than bobbing for french fries.
It helps very little when the opposition to such a group bases their entire strategy on being Neville Chamberlain.
As a descendant of Winnie Churchill, I agree.
Right, which is why I said I’d prefer them… You’re proving my point, swimming in shit is nearly as bad as bobbing for fries in it. Personally if I’m submerged in shit, I’m not that concerned with getting some in my mouth, I need the fuck out of the shit.
I wasn’t arguing. I was agreeing.
I’m an Independent that votes Dem. I wanted Bernie, but settled for Biden, because Trump.
Hoisting the GOP on their own petards doesn’t offend me one whit.
No worries man, sorry if my reply was mean, we’re all in this shitpool together.
No worries at all, man.