• febra@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Hey look that’s what we’ve been saying all along. Israel just looking to annex more land.

    • mwguy@infosec.pub
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      More like setting up checkpoints between cities. Actively hunting for terrorists and launch sites and the return of settlers and settlements to Gaza. Hamas did it!

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        Yea all they need are more checkpoints and a heavier police presence. 10/7 definitely won’t happen again. Those pesky Palestinians wanting human rights.

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          Well, you never saw an attack of this scale in the West Bank, where the IDF does have an extremely thorough presence. And you never saw this happen before the IDF withdrew from Gaza.

          So, yes, you have sarcastically arrived at a true solution. Well done.

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              It’s amazing that people can see Apartheid and how it ended and never question Palestinian actions. Apartheid ended because there was a belief in a peaceful future. There’s no Mandela in Palestine that can convince the Israeli’s that giving up power would lead to peace. And after a 20 year experiment in self rule in Gaza failed; it’s hard to see the alternative.

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                Just fyi. Apartheid didn’t end because of peaceful protest.

                The ANC had been peacefully opposing the Apartheid government. But that all ended after the Sharpeville massacre commited by the Apartheid government.

                Then MK was formed ( uMkhonto we Sizwe). MK was the armed guerilla resistance that Mandela and the ANC saw was needed, because the Apartheid government wasn’t giving in to peaceful opposition of their government.

                You’re probably confusing what people say was a ‘peaceful’ end to Apartheid because civil war was avoided.

                And it was only truly avoided because the resistance had to make so many unfair concessions to the international liberal powers that be ( imf, the US etc.) and the Apartheid government. Otherwise the Apartheid government was gearing up to actually start mass murdering the non white population (aka genocide).

                There truly are a lot of parallels between Apartheid south africa and israel

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                    Exactly. People don’t want to accept it but i see a lot of parallels between MK and Qassam brigades as liberation armed struggle. When peaceful protest fails then violent opposition is inevitable.

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                  The problem is that there’s no peaceful organization saying “yes two state solution” or “yes one integrated, non-religious state”.

                  Weaker violence only works if there’s a weaker peaceful option.

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            yeah, but different words have different implications and connotations. We say settlers, and that word doesn’t hit as hard as colonizers or oppressors, even though they all pretty much mean the same thing.

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              In fairness colonizers just sounds silly. Just like most words with a “z” in it.

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        You have no right to land other people already live on, unless you buy it from them. Settlers have no rights. We’ve mixed past this since colonization.

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          A huge amount of Israel’s land was legally purchased during the late Ottoman era and the later British Mandate. We have plenty of records.

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            So was the land that the US “bought” off of the indigenous tribes. Doesn’t make it right. Certainly doesn’t justify an ethnic cleansing.

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              Eh, some of it. I won’t pretend to be an expert, but I’m pretty sure most American land was acquired by settlers simply marching in with guns and saying “We’re here now”. That’s to say nothing of the countless treaties that were signed and broken.

              I don’t exactly think the Osage were contacted about the Louisiana Purchase.