• Froyn@kbin.social
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    11 months ago

    Or you know, actually interpret the way it was written. Most “gun enthusiasts” are not part of a “well regulated militia”.

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      11 months ago

      Sure but we’ve proven incapable of that. Repeal it and replace it with something that cannot be misinterpreted.

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      11 months ago

      A well stocked library, being necessary and proper for the literacy of a nation, the right of the people to keep and read books shall not be infringed.

      That wouldn’t limit the ownership of books to just librarians or people with library cards, it clearly applies to all people.

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        11 months ago

        What if libraries stopped existing because they were completely replaced by something else? Militias stopped existing when we created a standing army. Or, if you want to be charitable, they’ve evolved into “National Guard” who are often armed. They are also well-regulated, as the amendment requires.

        Also, this analogy is shit, you can’t take someone’s life in a split second, without a thought, with a fucking book. Give me a break.

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        11 months ago

        The American/English language is awesome. We’ve got these great rules with sentence structure and grammar that makes things super easy once you learn the tricks.

        A well regulated Militia**,** being necessary to the security of a free State**,** the right of the people to keep and bear Arms**,** shall not be infringed.

        Little English trick for you. Remove the words between the commas and see if the sentence makes sense.
        “A well regulated Militia shall not be infringed.” - Looks pretty good.
        “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, shall not be infringed.” - Still looks good and justifies the reason.
        “A well regulated Militia, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” - Still looking good and provides context as to WHO the Militia is.

        We put it all together and get
        A well regulated Militia (which is needed for security) (made up of people with guns) is a right granted to the State.

        If we add the missing comma to your initial statement before the word ‘shall’.
        Yes, the way your statement is written it would contain books to libraries and would not EXPLICITY provide such protections (book ownership) to individuals. It does not limit individuals, but it does not grant them special rights either.

        If “the founders” had wanted everyone to be able to buy a gun they would not have included the word Militia. They’re authorizing States the rights to form their own National Guard. Keep in mind, they are NOT saying the average person cannot have a gun. It is my belief that during these times of ‘unrest’ that they wanted at least some form of local army to defend against invasion. Folks that get training on weapon use and military tactics.

        Also some food for thought, nowhere in the 2A or Constitution is the word “ammunition”. So if the government so wished, they could simply make possession of primers illegal.

        Read your statement again and now it makes sense why you think what you think. It’s the comma you either left off intentionally or conveniently. Commas matter.

        Edit: The 2A does not GRANT or DIMINISH an individuals’ right to arms as it never addresses the subject. It only GRANTS the right to those members of the Militia.

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          11 months ago

          A well regulated militia shall not be infringed sounds pretty meaningless to me. Can a well regulated militia take my car since they can’t be infringed? Can they openly kill anyone not in the militia? Can you not get speeding tickets if you join a militia? Adding being necessary to the security of a free state, does not clarify anything.

          The actual subject in the sentence is “the right of the people to keep and bear arms.” If the Founders wanted it to be only members of a militia, they could have said members, militias, their, or almost anything other than the people.