• tiramichu@lemm.ee
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      I don’t understand the PayPal one either.

      Who is the ‘first party’ in this case? The banking system as a whole?

      If it’s the whole banking system then I’m not sure how that’s solved, because as I understand in the US it’s still not easy to send money to another private individual via the banking system. And there are Venmo and cashapp and such now but they are just other third parties.

      Meanwhile in the UK here it has been possible for decades to send money between bank accounts directly, and free. I still use PayPal though, because my use for it isn’t sending money to individuals, it’s being able to buy things online without creating an account and without giving my card details.

      Maybe people are thinking in phone terms, and the first party is “Apple” or “Google” and the solution is Apple Pay or Google Wallet?

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        Thank you for providing a different point of view, I didn’t realize things were so complicated in the united states. In the EU there is a system called iDEAL which iirc is maintained by a collaboration of different banks and lets you pay for stuff online instantly and with zero fee. For sending money person-to-person, there are apps like tikkie that are just a thin wrapper around iDEAL. And in cases where these things don’t work, you can just do a direct bank transfer by typing in the other person’s IBAN in your bank’s app/website. Slightly less convenient, but still nearly instant and zero fee.

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          Never heard of iDEAL. Wikipedia says its a a Dutch system that was acquired by the “European payments initiative” last year. The EPI just became active as a payment system 1 month ago.

          This is VERY much still in development and not at all an established system in the EU.

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          iDEAL sounds a lot like Bancontact/Payconic in Belgium.

          Which doesn’t do everything Paypal does either. Others have mentioned the buyer protection, but there’s also multiple payment methods you can link to it, subscription management, and one-click payments (where it also enters your address for shipping) - and crucially: available worldwide.

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          Ideal is not the same, by any means, as PayPal. Read up.

          With ideal you loose your money. Ideal is made from the pov of the bank and the shop selling you stuff. Its almost impossible to claim your money back without the sellers consent.

          Tikkie is not the same as PayPal since tikkie only works with EU banks. (and quite possibly at this moment only NL banks) PayPal does not need a bank account. Its also not really a wrapper around ideal but thats another discussion. And mostly a semantic one so lets not go there.

          Effe wat meer moeite doen en de kleine lettertjes lezen medenedelander :)

    • renzev@lemmy.worldOP
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      What first party solved the issue with PayPal?

      iDEAL solved it for countries that participate. For countries that don’t, sadly there’s no good first party solution. Revolut and Transferwise are much better alternatives to paypal tho.

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    What’s better than PayPal / what issues does PayPal have? I don’t know any better alternative…

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      Yeah, I don’t get it either. I made a store for my website a couple of years ago, and jQuery was crucial for me to handle all the events and triggers. Trying to do it in pure JavaScript looked like a complete nightmare.

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        Many of the things that jQuery made easy back in the day are now pretty easy with pure js (Ajax calls, improved selectors, programmatic DOM manipulation, etc), and browser support for most JS features is way more standardized.

        Granted, your pure JS is likely to be way more verbose to write, making it look more intimidating than jQuery.

        That being said. jQuery is performant in modern browsers, and when being delivered compressed and minified is tiny, so if you want to use it, go for it. Anybody who criticizes you or tells you “you should use [x]” for your online store or website is a JS elitist.

        jQuery is really only a “bad” choice for big interactive web apps, where frameworks that handle state and routing independently of the DOM are a much better choice.

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      jQuery is very slept on imo. I think new Gen react heads don’t understand just how much you can do. Iirc the minimized size is also very small.

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    jQuery

    We gonna ignore the crap storm that is JS frameworks, npm packages, and entire superset language to make JS half usable?

    Not to mention literally everyone still uses jQuery while pretending not to.