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    The difference between veganism and religion is that one is based on facts, the other is not.

    • It’s true that other species of animals are sentient, they have nervous systems similar enough to ours that we know they can feel pleasure and pain.
    • It’s true that we kill billions of them per year.
    • It’s true that the vast majority of them are factory farmed (74% worldwide, 99% in the US).
    • It’s true that humans at all stages of life can thrive on a properly planned vegan diet, according to most major health organizations.
    • It’s true that animal agriculture is extremely inefficient and loses a lot of calories from crops being put towards feeding animals (see: trophic levels)
    • It’s true that animal agriculture has a huge impact on the environment compared to feeding crops directly to humans.

    so get out of here with that nonsense that veganism is religious zealotry. I don’t have time to cite a source for each point, but they’re all super easily verified. Veganism is looking at the impact of your choices with clear eyes and choosing compassion over personal pleasure. It’s choosing to live and let live, rather than forcing death and misery on other species because you like the taste of their flesh and secretions.

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      It’s true that humans at all stages of life can thrive on a properly planned vegan diet, according to most major health organizations.

      Wait, including newborns? I mean, I doubt there’s a vegan alive who’s against breastfeeding, but for people who can’t breastfeed, baby formula isn’t vegan, is it?

      Not trying to rag on the point you’re making btw

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        I think there is vegan formula, and using breastmilk is vegan since it’s consensually given, including breastmilk shared by other mothers

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          using breastmilk is vegan since it’s consensually given

          the definition of veganism says nothing about consent, only exploitation. breastmilk is as vegan an cows milk.

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            Maybe your point would stand if humans had been bred to massively over-produce milk and had their babies taken from them so even more milk could be taken from them for profit and they had no agency in how their life went, from being bred in captivity and then impregnated in order to cause them to produce more milk to being killed when they stop producing milk.

            This is a stupid take, even for you

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              1. humans are animals
              2. veganism eschews exploiting animals
              3. drinking a product from a human is exploitation

              therefore

              1. breast milk is not vegan
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      And you start from a base assumption that any of that matters in terms of food.

      It’s like a retronym, picking facts to claim as a basis for a belief that’s rooted in a moral code.

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        No, veganism as a conclusion is a combination of facts and basic moral understanding, principles like “live and let live”, “do no harm”, and the golden rule, do unto others as you would have them do to you. If you’re a psychopath who doesn’t care how much harm, death, and suffering is caused in order to get sensory pleasure, I probably can’t convince you why veganism is worthwhile