Et tu, AOC?
I agree with much of what AOC has to say, but not this. I’ll bet significant money if Biden remains the nominee that we will lose, unfortunately.
(lol whew there is some serious vote manipulation going on around these parts. I hope admins begin implementing some safeguards soon).
I’ll bet significant money if Biden remains the nominee that we will lose
In a repeat of 2016, we found the most beatable candidate in the Democratic Party and ran that person for President. sigh
(lol whew there is some serious vote manipulation going on around these parts. I hope admins begin implementing some safeguards soon).
There is a strong contingent of Blue MAGA on Lemmy. Anything even remotely critical of Our Dear Leader gets trashed, your account gets reported, and people spill out of the woodworking insisting that you are on the personal payroll of one Mr. V. Vladimirovich Putin or possibly the insidious Hand of the Dragon Himself, CCP Supervillain Xi Jinping.
Someone mentioned it in the thread about Elizabeth Warren supporting Biden. It isn’t odd that smart, anti-wealthy, and anti-Trump at all costs progressives are backing Biden, and wealthy Democrat donors and centrist Democrats are demanding change.
These people see the risk a new candidate would bring. The wealthy just want someone who reflects their image. Either candidate doesn’t really hurt their lifestyle.
It isn’t odd that smart, anti-wealthy, and anti-Trump at all costs progressives are backing Biden, and wealthy Democrat donors and centrist Democrats are demanding change.
The wealthy centrist Dems believe they’re in an excellent position to foist an even bigger turd on the party (I’ve seen Joe Manchin and Michael Bloomberg and - of fucking course - Hillary Clinton floated as “moderate” replacements to Far-Left Super Radical Joe Biden).
The younger and less influential (although hardly anti-wealthy - AOC is a prodigious fundraiser who represents one of the richest districts in the nation) politicians who have already stacked up political favors with the incumbent don’t want to see him casually replaced by an even more obnoxious neoliberal.
That doesn’t make Biden a strong choice. It doesn’t even make him an “anti-wealthy” choice (Biden was fully on board with the Wall Street bailouts under Bush and the Silicon Valley bailouts during his own term). It just makes him the “safe” choice for the AOC-aligned caucus, relative to an even more nakedly corporate convention insider pick.
She is becoming mama bear sooner that I ever thought possible.
Progressives will be absolutely woodchippered if they did anything otherwise. Prob best to stand this one out and let the centrists fight it out. AOC is as delusional as Biden if she thinks he can win this. Not a great look.
AOC strikes me as someone who sees the game as is. She won’t endorse anyone but Democratic nominee, presumptive or otherwise.
I mean she’s got her game to play and Biden has his.
I don’t know who downvotes like insanity around here, I think there is a lot of validity in your take.
There is a cult forming around the denial of the reality around Biden as candidate. The current working term is Blue Maga. Lemmt seems to be a kind of epic enter but it’s the exact kind of thing that when Russian propagandists found it, they were able to create The Donald.
Also note how the vote totals work. Someone makes a “don’t vote for Biden, trust me I’m totally a progressive” post and it immediately gets a ton of upvotes. Someone makes a “hey this whole ‘don’t vote’ thing is kind of stupid” post and it immediately gets a ton of downvotes. But if the post gets big enough, real people balance the vote totals out. The initial votes were just bots/trolls trying to influence the tone of the discussion.
I dont think they are bots. Unless you have direct evidence of that, you shouldn’t believe it. I think they are misguided individuals in deep denial of the reality they are in. I mean one of the biggest members of Blue Maga is the head of this sub. And its IDENTICAL to what/ how r/TheDonald formed, its just that a nation state actor hasn’t swooped in to take advantage of the latent properties that would lead to the formation of a cult.
Unless you have direct evidence of that, you shouldn’t believe it.
That’s a dangerous tack to take.
Such is the consequence of living in a fact based reality as opposed to ones own delusions.
You get to believe a whole lot less because there is actually very little we have evidence for.
BUT!
If we have evidence for it, we should believe it.
Direct evidence is a much higher bar than indirect evidence. There’s a profusion of indirect evidence. Few of us have the capabilities to potentially find direct evidence. And even if we could, we would be expending far more effort researching than they would making new alt accounts.
