• mommykink@lemmy.world
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    Imagine killing three people over a $2 subway fare and parading around the city like you’re anything other than a domestic terror force

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      NYPD brass said the alleged fare-beater had charged at the officers with a knife and made verbal threats against their lives; he was last said to be in critical condition, along with one of the bystanders

      Yeah, that may have been how it started.

      Body-worn camera footage, which Maddrey said he reviewed before the press conference, allegedly showed the man make a verbal threat to the officers. He told the cops, “I’m going to kill you if you don’t stop following me,” the chief said.

      Definitely sounds like the police at fault, and the guy wasn’t a walking time bomb or anything.

      I get that the situation with the police in the US is cooked, but saying this was over a $2 fare isn’t really being honest about the situation.

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        Except there is no evidence of a knife outside of the police story, bystanders say there was no knife and to my knowledge they still haven’t found a knife

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        I mean, for discharging your firearm in an enclosed space with tons of people around? Yeah, I definitely would consider the police at fault. Should the guy with the knife have been persued once it was revealed he was armed? Sure, I can accept that. But what I do not accept is that the police seem to, despite the absurd modern toolkit at their disposal, only have two tools they actually use: their taser and their gun.

        Why is it that seemingly anywhere else a knife-wielding assailant can be subdued without blood being drawn, but here it results in several people suffering life threatening injuries and one dead?

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          It’s much cheaper (and better for psychological conditioning to the Policed States of America) to just hire the cheapest community college dropouts with a pant size bigger than their IQ than it is to attract, train, and maintain a respectable (read: “for the community”) police force. If the US adopted similar requirements for their police as a country like Germany, I’d imagine we’d lose well over half of our force instantly, with most of the rest quitting soon after being asked to not shoot people at the first sign of noncompliance.

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          I think the argument being made here is that what you have described is egregious enough and also a fair take on what is alleged to have happened.

          Unlike saying “a guy jumped a turnstile and police opened fire for $2” which now looks like a ragebait equivocation.

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          seemingly anywhere else a knife-wielding assailant can be subdued without blood being drawn,

          Where has this actually happened though? I very much doubt it’s standard practice for any police force.

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            My mans knife attacks are the primary deadly assault weapon used basically anywhere else on earth that you cant get guns from vending machines. I know that is hyperbole, but only just.

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      "alleged fare-beater had charged at the officers with a knife and made verbal threats against their lives; "

      The fare jumper sociopath escalated to violence and threats with a deadly weapon. That’s the person responsible here.

      I’m sure you would use your Jedi mind tricks in this circumstance.

      Read up on how knife attacks go down in close quarters. Theres a reason British police frequently wear knife vests.

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        The violence wouldn’t have been escalated if

        1. The cops didn’t chase them down for a measly fare
        2. The cops weren’t absolute monsters that shoot first and ask questions never

        Simple cause and effect, coupled with pre-existing fear of cops because of the multitude of times they’ve shot a person dead over nothing, or kneeled on their neck until they were dead over cigarettes.

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          Proximity is guilt, duh. How dare they not assist the police in subduing the aggressor. They got off light with just a little shooting! /s