It’s why they’re in common use and one of the best things for home defense. Basically anyone can handle one
Edit: ITT… people who think a shotgun with birdshot isn’t going through walls and is easier to use than a AR. In close distances, birdshot is a slug and will %100 go through walls.
A long gun is not good for home defense. A pistol is much better in CQC. Also a shotgun does require much less aiming in a high stress situation. You’re just being silly.
Also birdshot is not a slug. Those are literally two different things. That’s two different kinds of ammo, what are you talking about. A slug has way more mass, which is a hug factor in penetration. Wtf is this nonsense.
Source: bored out of my mind in the UMSC stained at 29 Palms and did Mohave Viper combat training stuff a ton. Try to clear a tight building with an AR and you realize how easy it is to just grab a barrel as you try to clear a room.
I have nothing to add besides the fact that I have been cut off by a USMC van in Morongo valley, they took me putting petal to the metal to get past them as a challenge. They money clutched.
Anyways 29 Palms is quite nice this time of year, I have to drive out to Joshua tree and the surrounding area for deliveries.
Oh no the area kinda sucks, im moreso referring to the weather and general climate. Id rather be stuck in fucking Baker than 29 palms, at least there I dont have to deal with the weird desert yuppies.
They didn’t teach you not to flag your barrel at the corners? Or you were using an M16 instead of an M4?
And at 10 meters you’re going to get about a 5 inch spread on that birdshot. At 3 meters (a standard 10x10 foot room) you’re looking at about 1.5 inch spread. At 1.5 inches it’s absolutely going to say hello to the next room over. Granted, an honest to god slug is going to go through the next 5 rooms at least.
Pistols are nice but actually require more training because people hold them wrong, sight them wrong, and reset them wrong, whereas a rifle or shotgun is a lot more intuitive as long as your target is reasonably close.
The conclusion is obvious. The best home defense weapon is a claymore mine rigged to your front and back doors with a poorly executed wire that taps a battery. Hopefully it only does it when the door opens. No worries about neighbors or missing the bad guy.
Source - Combat Infantry Badge, circa 2003 and way too much time being told I couldn’t do things I thought were perfectly reasonable.
Yes, you are taught how to clear corners. The problem is, in a home with tight hallways that’s hard to prevent while staying keeping an alert stance, without having another person to cover you. But hell, if you got a husband and wife team sweeping that would be bad ass.
And you’re correct, birdshot will most likely go into the next room. But it won’t go through multiple rooms and possibly into a close neighbor.
Agreed that’s pistols take much more skill, but I stand by them as the best home defense weapon if you’re able to train. A revolver specifically.
I wouldn’t use an AR for home defense because I’m not interested in shooting through 4 walls and killing my neighbors kid by accident.
Have you ever shot a gun before? Drywall isn’t stopping shit. Handgun rounds go through walls easily.
I believe bird shot is enough of a deterrent for home defense and requires significantly less precision in a tense situation.
You shot to kill not wound, and a shotgun isn’t easier to use than an AR, on top of that birdshot is not fanning out at 10’ in your home… it’s basically a slug at that distance and will %100 go through drywall.
You’ve been reading some really FUDD shit if you believe anything you typed up.
Edit: lol at people upvoting that complete nonsense comment to this one. Please for the love of Cthulhu people don’t buy a shotgun and leave it in your home for home defense and do not load it with fucking birdshot…get a handgun if you’re afraid of an AR.
So you understand how birdshot is different than a FMJ? A pellet isn’t going through 3 walls, a FMJ is. There is massively more penetration and lethality after penetration. Have you ever shot a gun?
And yes a shotgun is much easier to use, are you crazy? You need much much much less accuracy. You literally can just aim down a hallway and get great coverage.
Holy fuck just stop … Birdshot as I have explained does not fan out. Stop watching cowboy movies. I own multiple shotguns in multiple different gauges and have my own range. I’ve been shooting probably longer than you have been alive. You clearly have never shot a shotgun and telling me you get great coverage down a hallway is complete nonsense, birdshot will not fan out down a hallway. The recoil and weight of a shotgun removes it as a good defense weapon for basically everyone but people who are physically strong. It’s a terrible home defense gun.
Did you all learn everything about firearms from Hollywood?
Nope, use shotguns and understand how different chokes can impact spread.
With no choke I would expect a 2 inch spread at 10 feet. 2 inches is a lot of grace in a life or death situation.
Yes it has a lot of recoil, but in reality you’re not getting into a shoot out. You’re shooting once, maybe twice, before the encounter is over or into a scuffle.
it’s basically a slug at that distance and will %100 go through drywall.
Hey it’s gotta go through some fiberglass, glued-together wood chips, and plastic siding too. They just need a few layers of wet tissue paper on there as well and they’ll be golden.
Now wondering if there are six-year-olds in Africa using M16/AR-15 style rifles as part of some warlord’s army. I guess they don’t get to go to kindergarten, though.
AK47, no US arms are there being used, it’s a popular rifle here, but anywhere else in the world its AKs and SKSs and Mosins. The amount of those variants built in the world is probably 5Xs the AR variants out there. The mosins alone are like 100+ million built.
It’s why they’re in common use and one of the best things for home defense. Basically anyone can handle one
Edit: ITT… people who think a shotgun with birdshot isn’t going through walls and is easier to use than a AR. In close distances, birdshot is a slug and will %100 go through walls.
A long gun is not good for home defense. A pistol is much better in CQC. Also a shotgun does require much less aiming in a high stress situation. You’re just being silly.
Also birdshot is not a slug. Those are literally two different things. That’s two different kinds of ammo, what are you talking about. A slug has way more mass, which is a hug factor in penetration. Wtf is this nonsense.
Source: bored out of my mind in the UMSC stained at 29 Palms and did Mohave Viper combat training stuff a ton. Try to clear a tight building with an AR and you realize how easy it is to just grab a barrel as you try to clear a room.
I have nothing to add besides the fact that I have been cut off by a USMC van in Morongo valley, they took me putting petal to the metal to get past them as a challenge. They money clutched.
Anyways 29 Palms is quite nice this time of year, I have to drive out to Joshua tree and the surrounding area for deliveries.
I couldn’t tell you why, but for some reason when anyone says 29 Palms is nice it makes me upset. Maybe I was just trapped there for too long haha.
Oh no the area kinda sucks, im moreso referring to the weather and general climate. Id rather be stuck in fucking Baker than 29 palms, at least there I dont have to deal with the weird desert yuppies.
They didn’t teach you not to flag your barrel at the corners? Or you were using an M16 instead of an M4?
And at 10 meters you’re going to get about a 5 inch spread on that birdshot. At 3 meters (a standard 10x10 foot room) you’re looking at about 1.5 inch spread. At 1.5 inches it’s absolutely going to say hello to the next room over. Granted, an honest to god slug is going to go through the next 5 rooms at least.
Pistols are nice but actually require more training because people hold them wrong, sight them wrong, and reset them wrong, whereas a rifle or shotgun is a lot more intuitive as long as your target is reasonably close.
The conclusion is obvious. The best home defense weapon is a claymore mine rigged to your front and back doors with a poorly executed wire that taps a battery. Hopefully it only does it when the door opens. No worries about neighbors or missing the bad guy.
Source - Combat Infantry Badge, circa 2003 and way too much time being told I couldn’t do things I thought were perfectly reasonable.
Yes, you are taught how to clear corners. The problem is, in a home with tight hallways that’s hard to prevent while staying keeping an alert stance, without having another person to cover you. But hell, if you got a husband and wife team sweeping that would be bad ass.
And you’re correct, birdshot will most likely go into the next room. But it won’t go through multiple rooms and possibly into a close neighbor.
Agreed that’s pistols take much more skill, but I stand by them as the best home defense weapon if you’re able to train. A revolver specifically.
Anddddd you sold me on the claymore.
I wouldn’t use an AR for home defense because I’m not interested in shooting through 4 walls and killing my neighbors kid by accident.
I believe bird shot is enough of a deterrent for home defense and requires significantly less precision in a tense situation.
Have you ever shot a gun before? Drywall isn’t stopping shit. Handgun rounds go through walls easily.
You shot to kill not wound, and a shotgun isn’t easier to use than an AR, on top of that birdshot is not fanning out at 10’ in your home… it’s basically a slug at that distance and will %100 go through drywall.
You’ve been reading some really FUDD shit if you believe anything you typed up.
Edit: lol at people upvoting that complete nonsense comment to this one. Please for the love of Cthulhu people don’t buy a shotgun and leave it in your home for home defense and do not load it with fucking birdshot…get a handgun if you’re afraid of an AR.
So you understand how birdshot is different than a FMJ? A pellet isn’t going through 3 walls, a FMJ is. There is massively more penetration and lethality after penetration. Have you ever shot a gun?
And yes a shotgun is much easier to use, are you crazy? You need much much much less accuracy. You literally can just aim down a hallway and get great coverage.
https://youtu.be/H6clay9pFaw?feature=shared
Holy fuck just stop … Birdshot as I have explained does not fan out. Stop watching cowboy movies. I own multiple shotguns in multiple different gauges and have my own range. I’ve been shooting probably longer than you have been alive. You clearly have never shot a shotgun and telling me you get great coverage down a hallway is complete nonsense, birdshot will not fan out down a hallway. The recoil and weight of a shotgun removes it as a good defense weapon for basically everyone but people who are physically strong. It’s a terrible home defense gun.
Did you all learn everything about firearms from Hollywood?
Nope, use shotguns and understand how different chokes can impact spread.
With no choke I would expect a 2 inch spread at 10 feet. 2 inches is a lot of grace in a life or death situation.
Yes it has a lot of recoil, but in reality you’re not getting into a shoot out. You’re shooting once, maybe twice, before the encounter is over or into a scuffle.
Hey it’s gotta go through some fiberglass, glued-together wood chips, and plastic siding too. They just need a few layers of wet tissue paper on there as well and they’ll be golden.
Don’t forget the wallpaper, it’ll totally stop the fanned out pellets, they’re like BBs, they’re just gonna sting when they hit the inturder…lol
Except for kindergartners
Now wondering if there are six-year-olds in Africa using M16/AR-15 style rifles as part of some warlord’s army. I guess they don’t get to go to kindergarten, though.
AK47, no US arms are there being used, it’s a popular rifle here, but anywhere else in the world its AKs and SKSs and Mosins. The amount of those variants built in the world is probably 5Xs the AR variants out there. The mosins alone are like 100+ million built.