• JungleJim@sh.itjust.works
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      2 years ago

      Well yeah, duh. But that doesn’t mean we stop trying to do better. People are saying “do the right thing”, and you’re saying “people already fucked up though” like it’s some sort of, I don’t know, excuse to not care about doing the right thing this time. Maybe, just maybe, if we can prove even the highest level crooks go to jail, we can shake the idea that “In America that there’s no point in doing anything because it’s already shit.”.

      I’m not saying let the fucker free. Lock him up til he dies. Prison rations. Solitary confinement. But if we torture, and excuse it because THIS TIME WE’RE SURE, and “it must be alright because the bad guys also tortured”, then we’ve only made a more torturous union.

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              2 years ago

              There’s a difference in having perspective and bringing up last week’s book at book club.

              I am against cruelty. Full stop. I am against torture. I don’t have to list every type of torture to say I’m against this one. You’re right, though, it’s whataboutism. You’re not adding perspective that cops are bastards on this tiny little federated open source website. Everyone here already knows that. We’re all some sort of non-mainstream political identity. Look, that guy over there is a anarcho-syndaclyst furry. All you’re doing is muddying the waters over a very simple statement that torture is bad.

              Regarding anyone “deserving torture” Frodo: ‘It’s a pity Bilbo didn’t kill Gollum when he had the chance.’ Gandalf: 'Pity? It’s a pity that stayed Bilbo’s hand. Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends. My heart tells me that Gollum has some part to play in it, for good or evil, before this is over. The pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of many

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                  2 years ago

                  So you think torture is fun? Because it’s not useful for gaining information. The only reason to do it is to make yourself feel better. Are you that sort of person? Gotta get your enemies into a position they can’t defend themselves then you’ll take your time causing pain? Your real world isn’t worth preservation of you won’t work towards a better one.