I feel that it’s a bit of a false dichotomy to say that if WW2 didn’t happen then those things also wouldn’t happen. There’s nothing inherent about WW2 that had to happen for those advancements - they may have just been achieved faster due to the war.
I think you may be thinking about economics and progress at that time like you would at this time. Remember that at that time most innovations came from government funding.
During WW2 there was plenty of money spend on funding innovation and research. If a lab has the money to hire more researchers and help then they get to the invention faster. I don’t disagree that some advancements would have happened, I just think we would be where we are now. We would be about 10 years back. The innovation was due to the funding. This pushed us farther than we would have at that time because there was a lot of incentive for more/better ways to win the war. In peace time there is less reason to fund as much research.
Private company’s now have the money for R&D and can make the innovations because they are driven by profit. (lets push that discussion off, we need less ass hat people in charge) Back then they did not.
I find it super interesting that the development of the microwave is a direct result of radar technology. I am not comparing it to the computer or cell phone but its is a common household item that is a direct result from wartime developments.
Also ENIAC was the first general purposes computer that could do thousands of calculations in a second. This was only developed due to a desire to get an edge in the war. It didn’t get completed as soon as hoped so it was used for other reasons but it was still a huge advancement due to the war. It eventually was used for calculations on feasibility of an H-bomb and then later used to calculate artillery firing tables.
Counter argument : ww2 was completely irrelevant to all post war progresses, war against communism, which was a mortal threat to capitalism, was the key factor.
During the cold war, capitalism had to provide comfort and progress to people, or people would have turn communist. And so it did. Until it basically won in the 70s.
The idea that society needs war or competition incentive to do anything is the dumbest liberal mind fuck of today. It’s completely wrong, but it goes with the ideology that dominates.
Here’s a fact that most people don’t want to admit. The most hitler had to do with the holocaust was signing the papers that authorized it.
The concentration camps were never his idea. He didn’t plan them. He didn’t bother with them. He never even visited one. He DID sign the paperwork authorizing the funding of them, but that’s as far as his involvement went. He still hated the jews, and felt no sympathy for their deaths. He just spent more time poorly planning war efforts, and doing drugs that today would be known as heroin and meth.
So I’m not defending him in any way. I’m just saying any thoughts of who was behind the holocaust should really be attributed to Heimlich Himmler (probably spelling his name wrong). He’s the one who designed the holocaust. He was hitlers number two guy, and spent most of his days at concentration camps, designing new methods of “efficiency”.
There were a LOT of evil nazis. Not just hitler. And the main takeaway that I want people to learn from this is that they were NOT monsters. Because once you seperate them from being human, you think of things in terms that it couldn’t be repeated. That “people” are not capable of what they did. Don’t seperate it by time period, or race, or religion, or sny other thing you can think of to block them off as not being human. They WERE people. They were evil people, but still people. Their thought process could be carried out today. It can happen again. And by thinking of them as monsters, you distance yourself from others who might have the same ideas in their mind. Wave the left hand to distract you from the autrocities of the right hand. All while reassuring you that you’re not as bsd as the nazis. They were monsters! Meanwhile, you’re mindlessly following a dictators orders to storm a home of a defenseless woman and infant baby. Then you and your soldier crew take turns sexually raping the 7 week old baby until it died, and then you continued.
Is that too graphic? Good. It shows YOU have empathy. If you read that, and got angry, or offended, good. That’s a natural reaction, because that happened. That’s what russian soldiers in 2022 did to a Ukrainain woman and her baby. The russian government gave them medals. And people in russian social media at the time said “The soldiers were just following orders”.
So if you ever need proof that the nazi mindset can happen in any government, in any time period, in any country, just think of what they were doing. Just following orders. Then look up the Nuremberg Trials, and try to spot the similarities in their defense.
The only thing that needs to happen for evil to continue, is for good men to say nothing.
Hitler still was crucial for the nazis to take power. His political wits was much higher than any other nazi. He did turn the nazi party from an irrelevant extremist group to a force that could seize power. He didn’t do it alone. But pretending that nothing would change without him is like pretending Caesar or Napoléon weren’t mandatory to their deeds.
Hitler definitely couldn’t do what he did alone. But he was definitely a pivotal factor to make History what it was.
I feel that it’s a bit of a false dichotomy to say that if WW2 didn’t happen then those things also wouldn’t happen. There’s nothing inherent about WW2 that had to happen for those advancements - they may have just been achieved faster due to the war.
I think you may be thinking about economics and progress at that time like you would at this time. Remember that at that time most innovations came from government funding.
During WW2 there was plenty of money spend on funding innovation and research. If a lab has the money to hire more researchers and help then they get to the invention faster. I don’t disagree that some advancements would have happened, I just think we would be where we are now. We would be about 10 years back. The innovation was due to the funding. This pushed us farther than we would have at that time because there was a lot of incentive for more/better ways to win the war. In peace time there is less reason to fund as much research.
Private company’s now have the money for R&D and can make the innovations because they are driven by profit. (lets push that discussion off, we need less ass hat people in charge) Back then they did not.
https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/scientific-and-technological-advances-world-war-ii
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology_during_World_War_II#Electronics,_communications_and_intelligence
I find it super interesting that the development of the microwave is a direct result of radar technology. I am not comparing it to the computer or cell phone but its is a common household item that is a direct result from wartime developments.
Also ENIAC was the first general purposes computer that could do thousands of calculations in a second. This was only developed due to a desire to get an edge in the war. It didn’t get completed as soon as hoped so it was used for other reasons but it was still a huge advancement due to the war. It eventually was used for calculations on feasibility of an H-bomb and then later used to calculate artillery firing tables.
Counter argument : ww2 was completely irrelevant to all post war progresses, war against communism, which was a mortal threat to capitalism, was the key factor.
During the cold war, capitalism had to provide comfort and progress to people, or people would have turn communist. And so it did. Until it basically won in the 70s.
The idea that society needs war or competition incentive to do anything is the dumbest liberal mind fuck of today. It’s completely wrong, but it goes with the ideology that dominates.
Killing Hitler doesn’t even necessarily prevent WWII or the Holocaust. Changed no doubt but out right prevented is crazy
Here’s a fact that most people don’t want to admit. The most hitler had to do with the holocaust was signing the papers that authorized it.
The concentration camps were never his idea. He didn’t plan them. He didn’t bother with them. He never even visited one. He DID sign the paperwork authorizing the funding of them, but that’s as far as his involvement went. He still hated the jews, and felt no sympathy for their deaths. He just spent more time poorly planning war efforts, and doing drugs that today would be known as heroin and meth.
So I’m not defending him in any way. I’m just saying any thoughts of who was behind the holocaust should really be attributed to Heimlich Himmler (probably spelling his name wrong). He’s the one who designed the holocaust. He was hitlers number two guy, and spent most of his days at concentration camps, designing new methods of “efficiency”.
There were a LOT of evil nazis. Not just hitler. And the main takeaway that I want people to learn from this is that they were NOT monsters. Because once you seperate them from being human, you think of things in terms that it couldn’t be repeated. That “people” are not capable of what they did. Don’t seperate it by time period, or race, or religion, or sny other thing you can think of to block them off as not being human. They WERE people. They were evil people, but still people. Their thought process could be carried out today. It can happen again. And by thinking of them as monsters, you distance yourself from others who might have the same ideas in their mind. Wave the left hand to distract you from the autrocities of the right hand. All while reassuring you that you’re not as bsd as the nazis. They were monsters! Meanwhile, you’re mindlessly following a dictators orders to storm a home of a defenseless woman and infant baby. Then you and your soldier crew take turns sexually raping the 7 week old baby until it died, and then you continued.
Is that too graphic? Good. It shows YOU have empathy. If you read that, and got angry, or offended, good. That’s a natural reaction, because that happened. That’s what russian soldiers in 2022 did to a Ukrainain woman and her baby. The russian government gave them medals. And people in russian social media at the time said “The soldiers were just following orders”.
So if you ever need proof that the nazi mindset can happen in any government, in any time period, in any country, just think of what they were doing. Just following orders. Then look up the Nuremberg Trials, and try to spot the similarities in their defense.
The only thing that needs to happen for evil to continue, is for good men to say nothing.
Hitler still was crucial for the nazis to take power. His political wits was much higher than any other nazi. He did turn the nazi party from an irrelevant extremist group to a force that could seize power. He didn’t do it alone. But pretending that nothing would change without him is like pretending Caesar or Napoléon weren’t mandatory to their deeds.
Hitler definitely couldn’t do what he did alone. But he was definitely a pivotal factor to make History what it was.