A year ago I built a NAS to reduce my reliance on cloud services, and set up an arr stack. I went with TrueNAS Scale, which was on Bluefin at the time. In the past 12 months, TrueNAS Scale has been through FOUR major OS versions, with a fifth already announced. At least one of those involved a release train switch so, despite diligently checking for updates in the dashboard, I was left in the dust with an obsolete OS, and didn’t find out until it was already a huge hassle to upgrade.

I’ve been really happy with the utility and benefit of having this tool, but holy smokes how is anybody supposed to keep up with all of this? This is far from my only hobby, and I simply do not have the time, patience, or interest for a constant race to keep up with vetting new release versions and fixing what breaks every 3 weeks. I have enough tinkering hobbies as it is.

On top of that, there’s the whole blow up with TrueCharts, which has also left me with an entire suite of obsolete albatrosses around my NAS that I need to deal with. Am I still waiting for them to figure out an upgrade path? I don’t even know anymore.

Sorry for the rant, but I guess what I’m looking for is: how do you keep up with the constant maintenance and updates, and where do I go from here, in February 2025, with a system running Bluefin 22.12, a 32TB ZFS pool (RAIDZ1) that has to remain intact, and a handful of TrueCharts apps that I don’t want to lose the data from (e.g. Jellyfin configs/watch history)?

  • bluGill@fedia.io
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    At least you get updates. I’m running TruNAS core which isn’t updated anymore, and I have some jails doing things so I can’t migrate to scale easially.

    The good news is this still works despite no updates it does everything it used to. There is almost zero reason to update any working NAS if it is behind a firewall.

    The bad news is those jails are doing useful things and because I’m out of date I can’t update what is in them. Some of those services have new versions that add new features that I really really want.

    I have ordered (should arrive tomorrow) a N100 which I’m going to manually migrate the useful services to one at a time. Once that is doing I’ll probably switch to XigmaNAS so I can stick with FreeBSD. (I’ve always preferred FreeBSD). That will leave my NAS as just file storage for a while, though depending on how I like XigmaNAS I might or might not run services on that.

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    I run a Fedora server.

    All of my apps are in docker containers set to restart unless stopped by me.

    Then I run a cron job that is scheduled at like 3 or 4am that runs docker pull on all containers and restarts them. Then it runs all system uldtwa and restarts the server.

    Every week or so I just spot check to make sure it is still working. This has been my process for like 6 months without issue.

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    Release: stable

    Keep the updates as hands off as possible. Docker compose, TTeck’s LXC updater, automatic upgrades.

    I come through once a week or so to update the stacks (dockge > stack > update), I come through once a month or so to update the machines (I have 5 total). Total time updating is 3hrs a month. I could drop that time a lot when I get around to writing some scripts to update docker images, then I’d just have to “apt update && apt upgrade”

    Minimise attack surface and outsource security. I have nothing at all open to the internet, I use Tailscale to create tunnels. I’m trusting my security to Tailscale but they are much, much, better at it than I am.

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    Docker: More or less automatically upgraded (compose)
    Proxmox/TrueNas: My setup breaks so often or I want to do something that I will check it every once in a while and run updates
    Main Debian NAS: Automatic updates. (apt)
    Raspberry Pi: Automatic Updates (apt)
    Windows: If it prompts me and I am shutting it down amyway: Fine. Thanks for notifying.

    I stopped chassing updates quite some time ago.

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    7 hours ago

    You can choose a slower train for scale. Go for the stable release or even the enterprise release. Update once in a few months or so.

    I went with Talos OS for my apps after the mess from IX-systems and for the most part it has been set and forget.

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    11 hours ago

    Yeah, everything that’s already been said, except that I specifically chose an off-the-shelf Synology NAS with Docker support to run my core setup for this exact reason. It needs a reboot maybe once or twice a year for critical updates but is otherwise rock solid.

    I have since added a small N100 box for things that need a little extra grunt (Plex mainly) but I run Ubuntu Server LTS with Docker on that and do maintenance on it about as often as I reboot the NAS.

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    21 hours ago

    You might want to think about running a “stable” or “LTS” OS and spin up things in Docker instead. That way you only have to do OS level updates very rarely.

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      20 hours ago

      I learned this the hard way as well… I did a big OS update on mine once and it broke almost every application running on it. Docker worked perfectly still. I transferred everything I could to Docker after that.

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    Constant maintenance? What’s that?

    Here’s my setup:

    • OS - openSUSE Leap - I upgrade when I remember
    • software - Docker images in a docker compose file; upgrading is a simple docker command, and I’ll only do it if I need something in the update
    • hardware - old desktop; I’ll upgrade when I have extra hardware

    I honestly don’t think about it. I run updates when I get to it (every month or so), and I’ll do an OS upgrade a little while after a new release is available (every couple years?). Software gets updated periodically if I’m bored and avoiding more important things. And I upgrade one thing at a time, so I don’t end up with everything breaking at once. BTRFS snapshots means I can always roll back if I break something.

    I don’t even know what TrueCharts is. Maybe that’s your issue?

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    16 hours ago

    I use NixOS so if an update breaks, I just roll back. And since it’s effectively a rolling release distribution there isn’t any risk of being left behind on an outdated version.

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      Same here. I spent last month transitioning all my servers to NixOS and it feels so comfy! I do a small test on my desktop when I do something that might break stuff first, and then add it to server’s config later.

      --target-host and --use-remote-sudo makes it even better too.

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    OS updates I only bother with every 6-12mo, though I also use debian which doesn’t push major updates all that regularly.

    As far as software goes; pretty much everything is in a docker container with watchtower automatically pulling new updates to those nightly at 4am. It sends me email notifications, so It’ll tell me if an update fails; combined with uptime-kuma notifying me if any of my services is unavailable for whatever reason.

    The rest I’ll usually do with the OS updates. Just because an update was released, doesn’t mean you’ve gotta drop everything and install it right this moment.

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    Just subscribe to the release channel. That varies from OS to OS or Software, but is worth it.

    Use tools that are universal. For example, I have not used TrueNAS Scale because they did not support native docker at the time. OS specific solutions are more likely to break then universal once (truecharts vs docker)

    To get up and running again after a complete failure i can just download the latest config and data from my backup and set up any distro that supports docker and my system is running again.

    I do OS upgrades when they are available, usually within 1 or 2 days and containers are updated with watchtower daily.

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    If it works, I don’t update unless I’m bored or something. I also spread things out on multiple machines, so there’s less chance of stuff happening like you describe with the charts feature going away. My NAS is pretty much just a NAS now.

    You can probably backup your configs/data, upgrade, then deploy jellyfin again, restore, and reconfigure. You should probably backup your data on your ZFS pool. But, I recently updated to the latest TrueNas Scale from ~5 year old FreeBSD version of TrueNas and the pools still worked fine (none of the “apps” or jails worked, obviously). The upgrade process even ported my service configurations over. I didn’t care about much of the data in the pools, so only backed up the most important stuff.

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      I don’t update unless I’m bored

      Hahahaha, one of my kind!

      My upgrades usually occur because I’m setting up a new system anyway, that way my effort is building for tomorrow in addition to the upgrades, and I get testing time to ensure changeover is pretty smooth.

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    For one I don’t use software that updates constantly. If I had to log in to a container more than once a year to fix something, I’d figure out something else. My NAS is just harddrives on a Debian machine.

    Everything I use runs either Debian or is some form of BSD

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      Same, but openSUSE. Tumbleweed on my desktop and laptop, Leap on my servers.

      And yeah, if I need to babysit something, I’ll use an alternative. I’ll upgrade when I’m ready to, which is usually over holidays when I’m bored and looking for a project.