Do the same give me her voting history of when she opposed funding this genocide.

Literally the bill in question. If you aren’t familiar with the bill the amendment was for, you don’t know what we’re discussing.

and your reply to me was basically plugging your ears shouting “LALALA I Cannot Hear Cannot See…”

No, my reply is that you’re spewing racist conspiracy theories.

kenyian secret-muslim immigrant

Again with the racism and conspiracy theories. You’re not even trying to hide it. You clearly have no moral grounds to criticize other people.

Please read my comment until the end because I am addressing every thing you said.

Not coherently or relevantly. “Please read all the nonsense.”

Wrong. Watch this video and check the list of people who voted against it:

I’m not clicking any link you provide. I don’t trust you. And I’m not clicking on X links because you have to sign in to see full content and I don’t support fascists like Musk.

You can check the voting history of the bill (not the amendment). She voted against the bill. If you assert otherwise, you’re admitting you’re incapable of searching the Internet for the vote and therefore aren’t worth discussing the topic with.

She owns her political career to Israeli government businessmen with strong ties to AIPAC. She and her family are also Jewish.

This is some yarn on the corkboard conspiracy theorism with a sprinkling of racism thrown in. You’re ignoring a lot of nuance and context. Religiously, she’s Catholic. Genetically, she’s only partially Jewish and primarily Latino/Puerto Rican. I might have German heritage but you’d be remiss to accuse me of siding with Trump because he also has German heritage. Shared DNA isn’t a smoking gun.

I’m going to skip the rest of this so you can wipe the froth from your lips and reread what you wrote. It’ll help if you take the Klan hood off first.

Barack Hussain Obama

Obama didn’t do enough of what I wanted and wasn’t a leftist, but the only people who I ever see use his middle name are conservatives dog whistling their racism.

How dumb are Americans to still fall for the same fucking trick

You seem really confused. There is no functionally left American option and there hasn’t been throughout the time you’re referencing. AOC is left leaning at most and not enough for my preferences. Obama and Biden were centrists and corporate Democrats. But you vote for the least worst option because otherwise you get 2016 and 2024 results and then you get genocide of undocumented immigrants here in the US.

You’re missing the point though. Vilifying AOC and lying about something she didn’t do (she literally, factually, actually, provably voted against the bill to fund Israel) isn’t going to do anything useful to push the US further left. Why are you functionally giving ammunition to conservatives to continue to remain in power and push further right? Are you an accelerationist or just don’t understand how politics works?

Also, when you ask how dumb Americans, are you not including yourself? If you’re not an American, it means you can’t vote or legally influence an election in a meaningful way, so you’re just wasting your time and mine. I hope it made you feel good. Happy to provide you with the chance for hollow senses of accomplishment and pride.

Glad to see 4chan levels of maturity have spread to Lemmy.

And if I have a job already? And if putting effort into a job isn’t mutually exclusive with commenting in an online forum, what then? I’m really interested in getting life advice from randos on the internet. Please help me. You’re my only hope.

Note that I said I wouldn’t fund the iron dome. I don’t think Israel should receive any funding from the US. But apparently nuance isn’t in vogue right now.

Keep stuffing that straw man.

Because AOC gave them half a $billion to keep doing so.

First, AOC voted against the bill. She voted against giving them any funding.

Second, even if she had voted in favor of the bill, she’s not the only member of Congress, so dumping sole blame on her wouldn’t even make sense if the false claims were true.

But yes, let’s eat our own over a political stunt by a racist conspiracy theorist (MTG). Those primaries won’t lose themselves!

Oh no, a conservative boomer-grade insult! Should I get off your lawn too? Pull myself up by my own bootstraps? Invest in plastics?

Iron Dome protects Israel as it invades its neighbours and commits a genocide. It’s that simple.

No, it protects Israel regardless of whether Israel is committing genocide. But all of that is beside the point.

You are defending a vote against stripping iron dome funding,

I’m not defending the vote so much as pointing out that it was a meaningless vote. There’s nothing to defend or attack because the amendment is a non-issue. It was a meaningless political stunt by a racist conspiracy theorist.

accusing others of being in favour of killing civilians

Favour? As in British or Australian English? You’re not an American voter? This seems like a pointless discussion then.

whilst trying to claim you also don’t support funding Israel.

I don’t support funding for Israel. It’s an apartheid state and has committed genocidal war crimes.

You can’t have it both ways.

You can if you see the nuance and not just look at everything like it’s just so simple based on your first gut reaction.

You support killing of civilians with your own stupid fucking rhetoric,

No, I don’t. Quote me where I said I want civilians killed.

but you want to dance around the issue and pretend you aren’t doing what you are in fact doing.

You’re getting caught up in side issues. The issue is AOC voted against funding genocide in Israel. People are claiming she funded genocide by Israel. That is a provably false claim. It is a lie. Arguing over the amendment vote that didn’t matter is a distraction.

You are genuinely a fucking moron. I said nothing about Dresden or dropping nukes.

You were discussing the deaths of civilians. Those are historical events relevant to that discussion. Also, there’s no need for the ad hominems and name-calling.

You are literally advocating for sending AA guns to Hitler by equating and reducing all forms of military response as being one and the same as mass murder of civilians to suggest it’s legitimate to support funding for the Iron Dome as “defensive”.

I’m literally not. I was responding to your meaningless points that don’t matter because you brought them up, but you haven’t thought through all the implications. AA guns shoot down planes that have human beings in them. They aren’t the same as missiles that only shoot down other missiles.

All of these discussions about AA guns and Russian civilians are just bad analogies that ignore the context and the nuance. We can continue to discuss them if you like, but they have no bearing on whether the amendment vote was ever possibly going to have any functional or practical effect whatsoever.

If MTG brought up an amendment that said everyone gets to live forever and AOC voted against it, would you claim AOC is pro-death or would you recognize that MTG’s proposal was a useless measure that shouldn’t be taken seriously?

But honestly, I don’t care. If you’re not an American voter, as I suspect you aren’t, there’s no value in convincing you of anything.

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Would you support funding an iron dome for Russia against Ukraine?

I wouldn’t personally support funding anything in Russia or Israel.

A gun doesn’t stop being a weapon because you used it in self defence, idiot.

A gun is an offensive weapon. It’s not useful for self defense. You can’t shoot bullets out of the air easily. There’s no need for useless name-calling.

By funding arms to Israel

Except she voted against said funding by voting against the bill.

to protect it from consequences of committing a genocide

The iron dome existed before the current genocide. But you’re literally saying that civilians in Israel should die because the people in control of the government and military are committing genocide. That’s not justice. That’s advocating for murder as a form of revenge on a group when everyone in the group is not responsible for the preceding injustice. You’re applying the same logic as conservatives who pretend every Palestinian is a terrorist.

and invading and bombing multiple neighbours, which then allows it to act with further impunity to keep doing what it’s doing.

I’d be interested in defending Israel entirely. The conservatives in the majority in Congress will not allow that to happen. However AOC voted or even if she abstained, the results would not be any different.

She straight up declared anyone who voted for it effectively a nazi. She called Tlaib and Omar nazis.

She literally didn’t say that. If she did, you could quote her saying “Tlaib and Omar are Nazis.” You’re assigning that meaning to her words and then getting upset at your own interpretation.

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Except AOC actually voted against the funding bill. All this is about a meaningless political stunt of a doomed amendment put forth by a racist conspiracy theorist conservative (MTG).

You tout science, but you’ve cited an NPR interview where the conclusion you call “most likely” is described by issuing agencies as “low confidence.” That doesn’t make it seem “most likely” at all. What is most likely is that we don’t have enough information to draw a definitive conclusion, so being judgemental about it might be hasty and hypocritical. The NPR interview also states that we don’t know where the intelligence is coming from, so criticizing China for not being transparent but ignoring the secrecy of the intelligence agencies is a double standard.

The other source is a video from Ken LaCorte, who is a former Fox News executive who killed a legitimate Trump and Stormy Daniels story that turned out to be true, so his credibility is questionable on top of the fact he ran competing US political partisan websites and hired Macedonian teenagers to write the content to stir up contention.

You claim to never trust the media, but you’re trusting a known manipulative media executive.

A better question is why the origin story matters so much to you. Does it change the need for masking or quarantines or vaccines in your opinion? If China came out and said it was a lab leak, how would it affect your life in a fundamental way?

People get banned on social media for legitimate and illegitimate reasons every day. This is a weird hill to die on.