I learned a while back that arguing with someone is less about convincing that specific person, and more about convincing the bystanders who read/hear the argument.

It’s actually made it less frustrating for me to engage with people online. The person I’m taking to I know will never change their mind, but someone else might that I don’t know about.

A lot of the forums I’m seeing talked about where more technical or objective kinds. Like in a car forum there’d be repair manuals or parts lists, fountain pen forums would have loads of images comparing inks side by side for different shades and hues. Those are the sorts of knowledge centers being discussed and reminisced about a lot here.

That’s currently being argued in the courts. There’s a lot that goes into it from right to distribution, to proving that although the AI bot can’t reproduce everything even though it normally doesn’t. [https://arstechnica.com/features/2025/06/study-metas-llama-3-1-can-recall-42-percent-of-the-first-harry-potter-book/](A very real example of reproducibility)

There’s also arguments about how they accessed large amounts of content. The law doesn’t just recognize whether you can access something or not, but what you access it for. There’s laws about accessing things with the sole purpose of using it to develop a commercial product. All of it is a tangled mess that there’s no current clear answer to (legally, morally I think there is but that’s very opinionated)

I think there’s a lot of solid arguments against letting AI steal everything, but with the scraping there’s an even more immediate problem. They don’t rate limit or do it in an intelligent method. It becomes a full blown ddos that has take down entire sites and slowed many more to the point of near uselessness.

They’re in a very literal sense crashing large chunks of the Internet and causing havoc which costs very real money to fix, either by upping server resources or installing AI scraping mitigation resources so that every still has access to the free information you mention.

Doesn’t really solve the AI scraping or the silo problem and as Code erg found out recently, solving the AI scraping DDOS is never ending

If platforming universal healthcare and economic change is conservative then sign me the duck up as a staunch conservative. People are attacking him for having a business but that doesn’t make him the enemy. Plenty of good solid people have a business and pump the money back into their employees and community. It’s the billionaires, the ultra wealthy who think they can play god that are the problem.

I swear, “progressives” can be the most backwards people and their own worst enemy all in the name of ideological purity.

Honestly this. Their cpus melting down over the past couple years and their refusal to even acknowledge it hurt their image more than any potential backdoor could.

It’s absolutely possible if you’re abusing it recreationally, especially if you start mixing it with who knows what else. The biggest risk is respiratory system just shutting off.

That’s just an OD though, long term abuse like it’s suspected by many that Musk is doing has a whole host of nasty symptoms that you can look up yourself.

I dunno, the whole body transmutation thing and the Lazarus thing? I think there’s an argument to be made he was necromancer or lich.

I feel like we could find ways and tools to help in that situation without stealing the entirety of human knowledge, boiling our planet, and spending a small nation’s GDP. Like better code library discovery or a better mentor environment amongst coders.

I’ve also seen plenty of people get pointed in the exact wrong way to do things by leaning on generative AI and then have to spend even more time getting back on track.

Not even 25% of the GDP of the top ten nations. Seems like a much more worthy spend imo. Like all these billionaires want a dick measuring contest, let’s see who can come up with the coolest carbon neutral tech, let’s see which billionaire can fund the biggest national park or something.

My wife and I dream about building a zero carbon home. Solar roof, mass timber, carbon neutral cement, more environmental based temp systems like an actual thought about air flow. That or starting a commune in Scotland when the world collapses.

As far as I’m aware that was “only” 500 Billion with a ‘B’ in project Stargate, not the Trillions with a ‘T’ that Altman was talking about.

I do think it’s all a shell game and a fragile house of cards of tech brohaha. Really hoping the “We’re in a bubble” comment from him is the start of that house crumbling

You dropped a few of these -> “0”

Sam Altman has been taking about planning to spend trillions on just the data centers, let alone everything else that goes into creating their slop machines.

Some of us are very happy with our current headphones and don’t want new ones. Plus as others said the charging thing.

It’s recent on a relative scale but ancient news in the technology world. They’ve been disappearing since Apple started it in like 2016.

Feasible? Only time will tell. Possible? Caltech did it two years ago. Look up MAPLE. Wireless energy transfer to/from space was achieved.

Classic Torment Nexus moment over and over again really

He said today he plans to wait until it’s fully out and binge read 🙌🏼

This is the second time I’ve seen Bobiverse mentioned. I might actually have to give it a go.