• spacesweedkid27 @lemmy.world
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    2 years ago

    I don’t fucking get on how Israel has never really tried forming a state in which both palestinians and jews can live in peace together.

    This is not what Zyonism has done: Now there is no possibility for peace, there are only religious fanatics.

    Hamas or today’s Israel, both want to have it all.

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      2 years ago

      Because they don’t want it, simple as that. Why do you think they’ve been illegally stealing Palestinian land and bulldozing their homes for illegal settlements for decades?

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      They have. The issue is that their country was drawn up, by Europeans, without the consent of the people that were already living there. So the Palestinians, rightfully, don’t want any Israel to be there at all, on account of it being on land stolen from them.

      I know a lot of the world is European living in stolen lands, but, surprisingly, none of the rest of the people give a single shot what happened in the last 500 years, they simply just want the intruders gone.

      • gh0stcassette@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        Imo the whole “let’s give Jewish people a state after the holocaust” thing was a good idea, but they should have put it Germany. Germany were the ones who actually Did the holocaust, therefore there’s some argument to be made that they were entitled to German land, you could consider it a form of reparations. There was no argument for Jewish people being entitled to Palestine because their ancient ancestors lived there like 1800 years ago or whatever

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      2 years ago

      Have people really forgotten the early 2000s when Hamas would blow themselves up inside cafes and malls in Israel? There’s a reason the border between Israel and Gaza is the way it is and that Gaza has become a “prison” of sorts. When they allowed access to Palestinians from Gaza into Israel, they were terrorized constantly.

      https://2001-2009.state.gov/p/nea/ci/israel/79006.htm

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        The people under apartheid aren’t accepting their place? Shocker.

        Israel will never know peace while they continue to oppress Palestinians.

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          Israel won’t know peace if they stop either. How did the US and Canada solve ‘the problem’ with the natives?

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      I don’t fucking get on how Israel has never really tried forming a state in which both palestinians and jews can live in peace together.

      The Zionist terrorist of the British Mandate period were founding members of the state of Israel. For example Menachem Begin who later became a founding member of the Likud party which Netanyahu belongs to. These asshats from the start wanted to get rid of all Palestinians/Arabs and get the whole country for Jewish people. That’s why the Zyonist terrorist fist targeted communities where Jews and Palestinians/Arabs were living together in peace. Netanyahu is just continuing this goal and he would rather die than to allow for a stable two state solution to become reality.

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      Afaik palestinians can live and work in Israel in peace. There are still several issues in Israel if you are palestinian but you are a free person who can live there in peace.

      I mean as long the Hamas isn’t attacking them you can even live in Gaza and work in Israel.

      But in Gaza I don’t think a jew will survive for long.

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      I don’t fucking get on how Israel has never really tried forming a state in which both palestinians and jews can live in peace together.

      That is literally what Israel is. 20% of citizens are Palestinian. They have the exact same rights as any other citizen, and representation in the Israeli Parliament.

      As far as Gaza is concerned, Israel withdrew all settlers and military almost 20 years ago. Israel doesn’t want any part of Gaza, but the Hamas party who rules Gaza with an iron fist wants to invade and drive out Israel.

        • Final Remix@lemmy.world
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          Can I just say how nice it is that we can have multiple links in a comment and it doesn’t get automodded and silently hidden like on reddit?

      • BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        2 years ago

        Let me just take the majority of your house, leaving you with only your bathroom, and then tell me how wanting me out is trying to invade my territory

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        20% are Arab, not necessarily Palestinians… but ya, saying they’re an apartheid state is kinda scuttled by, well, the facts.

        • gh0stcassette@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          There are far more ethnic Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank living in third world conditions, who are denied Israeli citizenship than there are Palestinian Israeli citizens, and even the ones with citizenship are subjected to a level of racism and state violence comparable to Black Americans in the Jim Crow south.