What Israel is doing to Palestine today is exactly what America did and is doing to their indigenous population. Why do you think they’re allies?
Why does anyone think Israel was there first??? Lmfao. Their own Torah says otherwise.
“God gave this to us” isn’t a legitimate argument.
i think most people don’t know the history and just figure it’s a normal country we’re allied with for the normal sort of reasons
I think this is the one relationship where people do know some version of the history.
Even less when they wrote it themselves.
I mean, the US sucks, but they don’t just support settler colonial states for its own sake. They support Israel because it’s strategically useful to have a US friendly state in the middle east that’s small enough that they will basically do what we say (unlike Saudi Arabia). Also a significant portion of Republicans in congress think that Israel/Palestine being controlled by Jews is a necessary precondition for the Rapture. The US is more indifferent to the genocide of the Palestinians than anything, which imo is just as bad, but it’s important to look at the material causes for things instead of just saying “these two countries have similar ideologies so they’ll be allies”.
And the Israelites weren’t the first either, there’s a few books of the Bible about who exactly they pushed out.
This might surprise you but the bible isn’t 100% accurate.
Jokes aside: scholars think that the Israelites were a group of Canaanites who lived as “outcasts” in the hinterlands and seized the cities after the bronze age collapse.
So Israelites came when the Canaanites collapsed but the causality is different than depicted in the bible. Also they weren’t that foreign in the first place.
I’m not very familiar with the “history” of the time period, but I know Abraham was a Canaanite. Many Jews (and Arabs) could trace lineage to Canaan, before the collapse.
I’m not sure why you put “history” into quotation. I was referring to history as in archeology.
The arguments are according to pottery and art in general, linguistics and I think genetics too. The first israelite settlements were in the north and therefore not were you would expect them if they arrived from Egypt. I don’t know if Abraham was a historic figure and it honestly doesn’t really matter.
Yeah, iirc the Isrealite ethnic group was a combination of Canaanites and tribes from near Canaan that invaded during the Bronze Age Collapse. Though the religion is mostly Canaanite-derived, Yahweh and Elohim, the two main titles/names used to describe the Abrahamic God in the Torah are descended from the Canaanite gods Yaweh and El, who were syncretized together into a single god sometime before/during the early 1st temple period.
Edit: Though there’s also loads of Mesopatamian influence, the Noah’s flood myth is directly based on the Mesopatamian flood myth that eventually made it into the Epic of Gilgamesh. Plus lots of ancient Isrealite folklore is derived from Mesopatamia, like Lilith, who is probably derived from a kind of demon in Mesopatamian mythology that fed on newborn children and was in league with Lamashtu, who was basically an Anti-Fertility goddess, considered responsible for infant mortality.
Pushed out? You mean committed mass genocide.
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If we use that as precedent then we should let them fight with a winner takes all
“I’m 1/16th Cherokee”
So you’re saying native Americans have every right to kill, maim and rape settler-colonialist Americans? And that they’re all legitimate targets, since they’re all settlers?
I get it.
Apparently you don’t, no.
Very interesting!
I don’t fucking get on how Israel has never really tried forming a state in which both palestinians and jews can live in peace together.
This is not what Zyonism has done: Now there is no possibility for peace, there are only religious fanatics.
Hamas or today’s Israel, both want to have it all.
Because they don’t want it, simple as that. Why do you think they’ve been illegally stealing Palestinian land and bulldozing their homes for illegal settlements for decades?
They have. The issue is that their country was drawn up, by Europeans, without the consent of the people that were already living there. So the Palestinians, rightfully, don’t want any Israel to be there at all, on account of it being on land stolen from them.
I know a lot of the world is European living in stolen lands, but, surprisingly, none of the rest of the people give a single shot what happened in the last 500 years, they simply just want the intruders gone.
Imo the whole “let’s give Jewish people a state after the holocaust” thing was a good idea, but they should have put it Germany. Germany were the ones who actually Did the holocaust, therefore there’s some argument to be made that they were entitled to German land, you could consider it a form of reparations. There was no argument for Jewish people being entitled to Palestine because their ancient ancestors lived there like 1800 years ago or whatever
Have people really forgotten the early 2000s when Hamas would blow themselves up inside cafes and malls in Israel? There’s a reason the border between Israel and Gaza is the way it is and that Gaza has become a “prison” of sorts. When they allowed access to Palestinians from Gaza into Israel, they were terrorized constantly.
The people under apartheid aren’t accepting their place? Shocker.
Israel will never know peace while they continue to oppress Palestinians.
Israel won’t know peace if they stop either. How did the US and Canada solve ‘the problem’ with the natives?
I don’t fucking get on how Israel has never really tried forming a state in which both palestinians and jews can live in peace together.
The Zionist terrorist of the British Mandate period were founding members of the state of Israel. For example Menachem Begin who later became a founding member of the Likud party which Netanyahu belongs to. These asshats from the start wanted to get rid of all Palestinians/Arabs and get the whole country for Jewish people. That’s why the Zyonist terrorist fist targeted communities where Jews and Palestinians/Arabs were living together in peace. Netanyahu is just continuing this goal and he would rather die than to allow for a stable two state solution to become reality.
Afaik palestinians can live and work in Israel in peace. There are still several issues in Israel if you are palestinian but you are a free person who can live there in peace.
I mean as long the Hamas isn’t attacking them you can even live in Gaza and work in Israel.
But in Gaza I don’t think a jew will survive for long.
the Isreali government has a long and increasing history of systematic oppression of palestinian people, both inside and outside of the occupied palestinian territories. https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/
Ok Israel is on a downwards spiral to hell in regards to human rights. More than I thought.
It is sad that it is still much better than Gaza.
In my opinion this conflict will never end. Both sides won’t ever to come to agreement.
I don’t fucking get on how Israel has never really tried forming a state in which both palestinians and jews can live in peace together.
That is literally what Israel is. 20% of citizens are Palestinian. They have the exact same rights as any other citizen, and representation in the Israeli Parliament.
As far as Gaza is concerned, Israel withdrew all settlers and military almost 20 years ago. Israel doesn’t want any part of Gaza, but the Hamas party who rules Gaza with an iron fist wants to invade and drive out Israel.
Palestinian. They have the exact same rights as any other citizen
That’s so ridiculously false that you’re either wholly ignorant about the reality of the notoriously discriminate ethnostate that is Israel or deliberately lying to further a false narrative.
Can I just say how nice it is that we can have multiple links in a comment and it doesn’t get automodded and silently hidden like on reddit?
You can, provided that I’m in turn allowed to wholeheartedly agree 😁
Let me just take the majority of your house, leaving you with only your bathroom, and then tell me how wanting me out is trying to invade my territory
20% are Arab, not necessarily Palestinians… but ya, saying they’re an apartheid state is kinda scuttled by, well, the facts.
There are far more ethnic Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank living in third world conditions, who are denied Israeli citizenship than there are Palestinian Israeli citizens, and even the ones with citizenship are subjected to a level of racism and state violence comparable to Black Americans in the Jim Crow south.
Completely different things. 'Muricans captured that land in a fair fight, so it’s theirs now by the right of conquest.
In that case, Rome has the rights to Israel. Who is the successor to the Roman empire, Germany or Russia? Let’s fight it out.
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They gave them blankets with smallpox. “Fair fight” my ass.
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